Time for some more Elder Westberg!

[houston]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

"A self examination" that was a good one. More Elder Westberg coming tommorow then, that settles it! Lol Dead or alive, the good elder draws a line in the sand. Y'all can say what you want, but thats for real Apostolic authority.

I notice the Liberals can't stand his guts. They truthfully hate the man. Although, most claim he had hate the other way. But their attitude towards him, reveal their thoughts and intents of the heart. IJS

Good grief

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by houston

Good grief

Lol I know you don't like listening to him, but all you said was "I'm not listening to that", and moved on. That's not what my post was saying at all.

There's this other attitude though, where they can't stand this man. Just watch, I'm going to post more. Lol

[Amanah]

When he bragged about how his wife walked up to a man, pointed her finger at him and called him a dirty homosexual, I decided I didn't need to hear anymore of his ranting.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Amanah

When he bragged about how his wife walked up to a man, pointed her finger at him and called him a dirty homosexual, I decided I didn't need to hear anymore of his ranting.

I agree.
I also stopped listening to that guy who walked into the Temple with a whip and used it on people!
Also, did you know that same guy dared to call some people children of the devil.
Shameful.
Christians should only speak peace and love to everyone.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

I agree.
I also stopped listening to that guy who walked into the Temple with a whip and used it on people!
Also, did you know that same guy dared to call some people children of the devil.
Shameful.
Christians should only speak peace and love to everyone.

didn't Jesus typically berate the religious people, but teach and reach for sinners?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

I agree.
I also stopped listening to that guy who walked into the Temple with a whip and used it on people!
Also, did you know that same guy dared to call some people children of the devil.
Shameful.
Christians should only speak peace and love to everyone.

This post is sobering and Jesus did those things because of Love.
Jesus called a woman a yapping little dog not because He was a typical anti-Roman Judean. But, because He so loved the world. Don't get me wrong, preaching can be like flowing hot acid, but even that, touches more sinners than it does saints.

Some like nothing more than sweet love messages with shoulder rubs, and foot massages. Our today's culture is politically correct in such a way, that no one can stand opposing views, or language which is not politically correct.
There are some Pentecostal Apostolic elders whose preaching was hard, but gun barrel straight. You know something that is powerful, and pretty telling. When Elder Epley posted this "liked Bishop Westburg he built a great church in the middle of nowhere." He did it, his preaching was the same from start to stop. Sinners came, and became saints of God. Out in the middle of nowhere.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

didn't Jesus typically berate the religious people, but teach and reach for sinners?

Yep, Jesus insulted, rebuked, the religious, as well as those who knew better. It was all a part of His teaching in a era 2,000 years in the ancient past. In a culture which was vastly different from our's. Iron sharpens iron, and when Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego went into the fire they came out without a trace of fire, and they didn't even smell like smoke. Malachi 3:3 the Levites were those who taught the law, and the Lord sought to purify them through a refiner's fire. So, they could bring forth righteousness. No one is trying to kill anyone, they are trying to cure, and not kill.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yep, Jesus insulted, rebuked, the religious, as well as those who knew better. It was all a part of His teaching in a era 2,000 years in the ancient past. In a culture which was vastly different from our's. Iron sharpens iron, and when Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego went into the fire they came out without a trace of fire, and they didn't even smell like smoke. Malachi 3:3 the Levites were those who taught the law, and the Lord sought to purify them through a refiner's fire. So, they could bring forth righteousness. No one is trying to kill anyone, they are trying to cure, and not kill.

I know you do street ministry. I can't imagine that you would walk up to someone and call them a dirty homosexual just because you found them offensive (which it is). I'm sure that you don't mince words when it comes to calling out sin, but isn't there a way to approach it?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Amanah

When he bragged about how his wife walked up to a man, pointed her finger at him and called him a dirty homosexual, I decided I didn't need to hear anymore of his ranting.

I understand what you mean sis. But what do you think Jesus would've said to a man who was a unrepentant homosexual? I doubt homosexual would've been the word He used! Matter of fact in all the gospels we have not one account as that so we don't know.

We do know He was thronged by multitudes, but not everyone received healing. John says in his gospel if all of the things He did were written down, not even the world would be able to contain the books. So did He heal any, maybe. Didn't He heal any, maybe not. I guess only He knows. But those days were a different time altogether.

Today we are tolerant of it, and the Bible says in Romans 1:32 "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Now, homosexuals weren't the only one, on a long list; but this scripture let's me know that we should watch closely what we tolerate.

I also would ask what context was this said in? At what point in the video? Because I mean people hate Jeff Arnold because He calls the fags, queers, and Twinkies. I don't think he means it personally, that's just what he calls them. I hate to say it sis, but homesexuality is dirty. They know also, I don't care what they say. But they've became warped and shaped in this sin. If someone doesn't tell them something, they will never come out.

I was listening to another message and he said "I'm going to be nasty. If that's what it takes to pull you out of hell, I don't care how nasty I get. I don't care. Someday your going to grab this old preacher around the neck; around that white throne of judgement. Your going to grab this old mean preacher by the neck, you will be glad I laid it on your hyde, when we get around that throne. So until then I'm not cutting you no slack!" He then went on to say"you and I will either pull them out of hell, or send them to hell." That is the way he believed, and that should speak for itself. All I can say is the man grew a church in the middle of nowhere. He had the favor of God, and the gifts working in the church. He was a man of God no doubt, they just definitely don't make'em like that no more! He was the right man for that time period, in days like today people wouldn't want to take it. But he was ordained for a different day in hour, as you and I are ordained for this day and this hour. I just believe we should never forget where our roots our coming from. Because if we don't, it will effect where we go, and the pitfalls we fall into.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I understand what you mean sis. But what do you think Jesus would've said to a man who was a unrepentant homosexual? I doubt homosexual would've been the word He used! Matter of fact in all the gospels we have not one account as that so we don't know.

We do know He was thronged by multitudes, but not everyone received healing. John says in his gospel if all of the things He did were written down, not even the world would be able to contain the books. So did He heal any, maybe. Didn't He heal any, maybe not. I guess only He knows. But those days were a different time altogether.

Today we are tolerant of it, and the Bible says in Romans 1:32 "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Now, homosexuals weren't the only one, on a long list; but this scripture let's me know that we should watch closely what we tolerate.

I also would ask what context was this said in? At what point in the video? Because I mean people hate Jeff Arnold because He calls the fags, queers, and Twinkies. I don't think he means it personally, that's just what he calls them. I hate to say it sis, but homesexuality is dirty. They know also, I don't care what they say. But they've became warped and shaped in this sin. If someone doesn't tell them something, they will never come out.

Ive found that sinners know that they are sinners...they dont need to be told....they spend most of their lives trying to make peace with their sin because they dont see a way out...Jesus became that way out when they came in contact with Him there was repentance made and they followed Him.


Take Zaccheus*typo prolly* for example...Jesus didnt look up into the tree and name all his faults...just told him to come down that He was going to his house that day....doesn't say that Jesus preached conviction but SOMETHING happened in the mans spirit that he repented and made effort to make what he had done right.


If you show up with your nasty attitude, the sinner wont look at you as having answers...they are gonna realize that you are just as in need of Jesus as they are....except you dont realize it yet cause you think youre in the right.