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Old 05-14-2009, 06:23 PM
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Shades of Westberg: Deja 1992 ... All Over Again?

Shades of Westberg: Deja 1992 ... All Over Again? (Part One)
by Daniel Alicea (posted with permission)


It is often said, "History repeats itself" and there is no doubt that this adage also rings true in church organizational politics.

There seems to be a movement afoot to rewrite and/or clarify the Articles of Faith of the United Pentecostal Church International. In a recent blog and article to be published in the Forward, the org’s ministerial magazine, the Editor, Rodney Shaw seems to lend credence to rumblings by some of the constituents that this may be necessary as there are some who believe that the doctrinal message of the org is in danger of being modified or overturned.

In his article entitled, What Do We Believe?: The Priority of Theology, Shaw writes:

“We all need to be honest with ourselves. If we want to have more relevant cultural expressions in our churches, we need to be honest about our true motives and intentions. If we are indeed wrestling with our doctrinal positions, we need to have the courage to say so, get counsel from trusted elders, and try to reconcile ourselves with the apostles’ doctrine.

If we cannot reconcile ourselves to this, we should move on. That is the ethical thing to do.

Likewise, if a fellow minister opts for cultural expressions and methods which are different from our own, and if he is committed to apostolic doctrine, we should encourage him in his work; he is doing the work of the kingdom.

So what do you believe?

To make theology a priority means that we need a well-thought-out theology. Do you know what you believe? If you have never written a personal statement of faith, you should. You should take the effort to commit to writing those things that are most important.

Shaw continues:

"These questions may help.

What is non-negotiable?
What must I preach in order to be consistent with the New Testament?
What must a sinner believe and do in order to be converted?
What are the marks of maturity in a Christian’s life?
What spiritual disciplines should be exhibited in the life of a mature Christian?
In what ways should a Christian live a separated lifestyle from the world?
What is my obligation to the church?
What is my obligation to the world?
What could cause me to break fellowship with another Apostolic?
What would I be willing to give my life for?
Do I have a solid, biblical basis for these positions?
How do my beliefs compare to the Articles of Faith of the UPCI?
Do I have anyone I can talk to about doctrinal concerns?”
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The Survey or Inventory?

Shaw has also encouraged ministers to answer an online 70 question “anonymous” survey regarding demographics; and their knowledge and feelings towards various parts of the UPCI ministers manual, namely as it pertains to aspects of the AOF and org positions. (See survey here: http://rodneyshaw.wordpress.com/home/survey/)


Among the questions posed are:
- Which statement best describes your position on when a person is saved?
- Which statement best describes your understanding of baptism?
- Which statement best describes your views on sanctification/holiness/separation?

There are questions probing ministers as to their Scriptural interpret regarding uncut hair, jewelry, pants on women, and makeup.

And pertaining to the topic of the Articles of Faith, there are questions about each of the Articles of Faith in which ministers are asked, How important is it for ministers of the UPCI to be in agreement on the following areas?

Among the answer choices
a. agreement is important
b. agreement is desirable
c. Each person should make his own decision

Also, each of the 23 Articles are queried with which of the following statement “best describes your view of the Articles of Faith of the UPCI” ?

Choices include:
a) I fully agree with,
b) Needs to be reworded or clarified and
c) I fully disagree with


One has to wonder why Shaw, the editor of the Forward and David Bernard’s (South Texas District Supt and org apologist) assistant pastor feels that a conversation regarding such matters needs to be even discussed in light of the widely held belief that the 1992 Affirmation Statement had settled once and for all any disagreements or divergence on issues regarding fundamental doctrine and holiness?

Is this invitation to dialogue with the intent of reaching a "middle ground"? Which of these items are malleable, tolerable or flexible? Open to divergent interpretation? Or negotiable?

Or is this just an opportunity to root out? Or educate and reign in the misguided? Or simply a 21st century friendly- repackaging of various landmarks that are but a century old shaped by a Methodist holiness movement?

Historical Context


What does this mean in historical context?

In 1945, the UPC was formed by the merger of two different groups, the PCI and the PAJC. Most of the ministers of each of the organizations held a different view of how a person is justified/saved/born again than those of the other organization. The majority of the PCI ministers believed in what some term "one-step salvation" and the majority of the PAJC ministers believed in what many term "three-step salvation". Albeit, however, there were individuals on both sides who held divergent soteriological views especially as to when we are saved, when our regeneration, or the New Birth, happens and the significance of water baptism; also differences as to standards of outward holiness were set aside for pastoral interpretation and implementation.

Despite these differences, because both sides believed in the Oneness of the Godhead, Jesus name baptism and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues the merger was consummated with the following statement added to the Fundamental Doctrine that was seen as the glue that would solidify the new organization:

"We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body."

Because differences persisted between the two groups, a fundamental doctrine statement was adopted which was ambiguous enough that both groups could agree to it.

Later in 1973,the fundamental doctrine statement was revised in an attempt to pressure those with the one-step view to leave.

Then in 1992, the passage of the Westberg resolution imposed an affirmation statement to be signed every two affirming by minister to affirm just two of the Articles of Faith, namely the Fundamental Doctrine and Holiness articles. Some say it was adopted (based on the perceived dishonesty of a high official and questionable parliamentary procedure) to further minimize, trivialize, demonize and ostracize any of the ministers who still held to the one-step doctrine.

As the debate raged prior, during and after the 1992 Salt Lake City conference which instituted the Affirmation Statement many seasoned ministers spoke out against the requirement as an "oath of doctrinal allegiance". Men like Robert Sabin, Jack Dehart, Jabo Green, CH Yadon and V. Arlen Guidroz were among the dissenters. Guidroz argued that this requirement was a direct violation of the merger agreement which never required doctrinal purity. In his 1992 letter to the General Board, Guidroz, furthered his argument asking: "Have we this part of the statement? In 1945 at the merger there were many who did not agree on the New Birth issue. Diversity was tolerated at that issue. Those who were 'divisive' about it kept silent so that peace and brotherhood could reign. Is it contrary, to our Manual for one minister or group to force an issue which is now dividing us?”

To be continued ....
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Old 05-14-2009, 06:26 PM
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Re: Shades of Westberg: Deja 1992 ... All Over Aga

Shades of Westberg: Deja 1992 ... All Over Again (Part 2)Share
by Daniel Alicea (posted with permission)

Part II:

The Rub Described

It is this premise and historical context of unity and tolerance in which a movement that once allowed for divergent soteriological, and even sanctificational views, must now decide, once again, it's future.

So, what does this all mean in relation to the Shaw's latest blog?

First, kudos must be given for the noble and quixotic fashion in which this man of God displays a heartfelt desire in building a bridge between an older and younger generation.

He must be commended for endeavoring in this effort with his recent blog series for some of the most well-thought out, poignant, balanced and reconciliatory articles written in a long time within this circle of fellowship.

It appears that Shaw really believes, some may say, naively, that the crossroads that he and others stand squarely before is primarily a misunderstanding over "methods" and not necessarily theology or doctrine. Those differing theologically, in his opinion, as stated here, are merely "a few on the fringes".

However, the very notion that he has brought stalwart doctrines and positions to the table should underscore the reality that there is a whirlwind of conversation going on about these things in the UPCI which apparently are not "forever settled".

Also, in describing the generational differences as mainly methodical, however, I am reminded of JL Hall's seemingly inaccurate historical description of the differences between the PAJC and PCI dealt with "methods of evangelism".

A casual outside observer can clearly distinguish doctrinal disparities existed as it pertains to the when of salvation, the role of baptism in the life of a believer and the definition of what constitutes the New Birth while agreeing on doctrinal distinctives like the Oneness of God, Jesus name baptism and tongues as evidence of Holy Ghost baptism.

The march of history appears to be drumbeating similar questions about such issues into the conscience of the movement once again.

What if what is before this organization, that we all love, once again, is not exclusively what constitutes THE MESSAGE but also the theological reality of how we proceed when there are theological differences?

Or perhaps we are seeing a new generation of preachers that have in some ways "returned" to some of historical diverse views as it pertains to such things like the New Birth?

Or what of the holy, consecrated men of God who have prayerfully studied various holiness issues like dress, adornment and hair and find that their theology does not necessarily agree with the general interpretation of some of his elders but know it's consistent with apostolic doctrine?

Is the ethical thing just to walk away from fellowship he's enjoyed, supported and sacrificed his time, energies, effort, and finances for decades without seeking to maintain it first?

What of the theological prescription set out by Paul in Romans 14 to those theologically "weak" in applications of faith? Does Paul advocate tolerance on some matters of doctrine here?

Are there organizational and theological protections, or covering, for those who don't agree eye to eye with the majority, especially when there is ambiguity in phraseology in faith statements?

Ultimately, we all can agree that theology is not limited to the issues surveyed by Shaw, right?

And who can fully disagree with Shaw's platitudes? ... like: Theology is our starting point. That it is universal. That it transcends patriotism, economics, politics, culture and methods.

Yet, I would submit that one thing theology is not -- it is not always, necessarily, 100% lockstep in implementation or interpretation. Nor, I'm sure he would agree, that unity means uniformity.

We have evidence of this throughout New Testament writings concerning the 1st century apostolic church, even on doctrinal viewpoints (i.e. Acts 15, Romans 14).

In a similar vein to what Shaw seems to be graciously pursuing, we find our chief cornerstone, Christ, in the first three chapters of Revelation, not seeking to disfellowship but seeking reconciliation.

And then one reads Shaw's closing thoughts ...

Shaw's conclusion pertaining to fellowship and the AOF

Brother Shaw concludes, in The Priority of Theology, with:

"We all need to be honest with ourselves. If we want to have more relevant cultural expressions in our churches, we need to be honest about our true motives and intentions. If we are indeed wrestling with our doctrinal positions, we need to have the courage to say so, get counsel from trusted elders, and try to reconcile ourselves with the apostles’ doctrine. If we cannot reconcile ourselves to this, we should move on. That is the ethical thing to do. Likewise, if a fellow minister opts for cultural expressions and methods which are different from our own, and if he is committed to apostolic doctrine, we should encourage him in his work; he is doing the work of the kingdom."

Personally, I think, it is here that his message can be misconstrued by the younger minister who might walk away after reading this with:

If this is about methods, stick around, some of us have got your back. But, if you have a divergent theological view, you may be unethical if you don't reconcile it with the majority view. Even if one is still holding to core doctrinal distinctives, take a hike.

Ironically, what Shaw seems to be proposing had been the crux of the argument by some of the conservatives who left the movement over television advertising in 2008. They ineffectively argued that if by signing your name to Affirmation Statement you affirm a Holiness article that states disapproval of the television as a medium; and since the manual also prohibits television in the home of a minister this proposed relevant method is by virtue, against Apostolic doctrine, and, hence, any usage contradictory to the agreed standards of fellowship, the AOF and manual.

They felt that the ethical thing to do is if one wanted to go against the manual then just leave as not to contradict the Articles of Faith and ministerial fellowship requirements.

Notwithstanding, what is of primordial note in relation to this, is that at the end of Shaw's discourse on the priority of theology, he suggests that his peers compare their well-thought out, prayerful, theology with the org's Articles of faith. He asks his peers to reflect with,

"How do my beliefs compare to the Articles of Faith of the UPCI?"

As part of this exercise in reflection he also asks,

"What would cause you to break fellowship with another Apostolic?"

It is here that I believe that some wade in a pool of inconsistencies when asked to compare their views with the Articles of Faith and believe that fellowship must be broken if we are not in lockstep in theological interpretations. Presumably, this is not Shaw's position but we have seen this "spirit" before, in others.

(A little later, I will discuss several plausible inconsistencies as they relate to the majority view of the movement and the priority of well thought out theology)

As some acquiesce to the suggestion of prioritizing with an inventory of one's theological beliefs and making a comparison via an unscientific online survey - must there not be a consensus, or at least a disclaimer, as to what these Articles signify, or don't signify?

After the passage of the Westberg resolution, David K. Bernard, in a circulated essay to several ministers, entitled "Affirming Our Fundamental Doctrine and Holiness Message" apologized for the institution of an Affirmation Statement stating:

1. The Westberg Resolution did not change the Articles of Faith in anyway
2. The original founders of the org regarded Articles of Faith as a minimum standard for ministerial fellowship.
3. He insisted that the AOF was not intended or designed as a creed or "authority in doctrine".
4. The "UPCI has never stated that affirming these articles is necessary, or sufficient, for salvation.

This last point has been contested on the premise that the resolution for the Affirmation Statement clearly mentioned that false prophets would arise and deceive many, plus some would depart from the faith in the latter times. It was stated that even some within the UPC were being led astray. Other verses were quoted about marking those who cause division and to withdraw yourselves from every brother who doesn't walk after the traditions he received.

Moreover, the author and it's supporters felt there were those in the UPC who were departing from "the faith" yet were remaining in the organization.
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The original Westberg resolution states:

"Whereas the Fundamental Doctrine and the Articles of Faith of our organization are Scriptural teachings and our pledge to wholeheartedly teach and preach our standards of holiness which we all agreed to abide by when we applied for membership in the United Pentecostal Church International, and which we are forbidden to speak or write in opposition to (General Constitution, Article VII, Section 7, Paragraph 15),
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Whereas some have endeavored to retain their current fellowship card while departing from the faith as outlined in our Articles of Faith, and have even threatened to go to law and sue the United Pentecostal Church International if they are dealt with by their District Board,

Therefore be it resolved that the following statement be sent to each minister to be signed before his or her fellowship card for the following year year is mailed from the World Evangelism Center."

Based on the language of this ACCEPTED 15 year old resolution governing fellowship and good standing, the implication is either the Articles of Faith outline the faith or not? Not adhering to, and teaching, these Fundamental Doctrine and Holiness Articles is either a departure of the faith or not?

The Articles of Faith in the Pool of Inconsistency

Let us fast forward to the current situation.

We find in this discussion of theological priority, a group seeking theological purity leveling pejoratives against brethren who have a different view as "emerging" and "gone charismatic". Tangentially, Shaw does a brilliant job dispelling this myth of emergents among us in his previous blog, "The Emergent Church is not our Problem"."

This must be contextualized by a growing trend of fellowship churches, nationally, that are practicing and promoting "platform standards", while not teaching, and/or requiring members to do so in their daily living. I think Brother Shaw could give examples of this in the very city and South Texas District he resides and ministers in. Anecdotally, this is happening among various age groupings.

We find elders, just last year, namely a district superintendent, writing communications to the presiding Bishop, the General Superintendent, stating....


To Be Continued ...
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Why do you care you no longer go to a UPC church?
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This seems rude.

I am interested! Post on.
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This reminds me of a song...

"...you put your right foot in, you pull your right foot out, you put your right foot in and you shake it all about, you do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around...that's what it's all about..."


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This reminds me of a song...

"...you put your right foot in, you pull your right foot out, you put your right foot in and you shake it all about, you do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around...that's what it's all about..."


I don't get it.
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This seems rude.

I am interested! Post on.
I am sorry you must be new we have have went around and around over this.
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Thanks. I'm not new... but I don't get on all the time either. BUT there are always new people. A good read is a good read.
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They're jealous?

I often wonder that myself. Yet, it seems that some just look longingly over at the U.P.C. and yearn for the day it will return back into the Assemblies of gods? This I doubt will ever happen, but I guess there are those who still hope that the Apostolic Movement would become a little more like their three headed cousins.

Apostolic are more fun than Trinitarians and Charismatics.

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