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Old 02-05-2017, 07:39 AM
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Re: question about pastors salary

Is the Trinitarian Church Spirit filled? Speaking in tongues and gifts?

-For example our pastor work with his own hands.but he is with us 4 times per week.
-no tithing.but the church is the bigest in Greece.(150 churches ,upci have 2-3 and no greek.)
-no women preaching.
-women wear coverings on the head
-no music instruments inside church.
-Holiness and love is preaching.
-they know my faith (oneness) but they see it just one other view of godhead ,they do not believe i will go to hell.

The bolded would be serious considerations that I would want in a Church.

Im ok with women taking part in body ministry IF they have their heads covered.
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Old 02-05-2017, 08:46 AM
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Is the Trinitarian Church Spirit filled? Speaking in tongues and gifts?

-For example our pastor work with his own hands.but he is with us 4 times per week.
-no tithing.but the church is the bigest in Greece.(150 churches ,upci have 2-3 and no greek.)
-no women preaching.
-women wear coverings on the head
-no music instruments inside church.
-Holiness and love is preaching.
-they know my faith (oneness) but they see it just one other view of godhead ,they do not believe i will go to hell.

The bolded would be serious considerations that I would want in a Church.

Im ok with women taking part in body ministry IF they have their heads covered.
Yes is spirit filled tongues ,gifts,prophesies,holiness joy..
I am surprised you believe that about coverings! I thought is something forgotten today!
Thank you for the answer!
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Old 02-24-2017, 09:04 PM
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Yes is spirit filled tongues ,gifts,prophesies,holiness joy..
I am surprised you believe that about coverings! I thought is something forgotten today!
Thank you for the answer!
You have touched on my big pet peeve here.

What I have learned regarding modern day Pastors taking tithes has mostly been addressed by Michael the Disciple. But I will digress here a bit. I think these scriptures reveal much:

2Co_11:9.. And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself.

1Th_2:9.. For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God.

2Th_3:8.. Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:

But now days, many brethren go into the ministry as a career rather than a calling. Big difference. the former will look at the attendants of the church as their personal servants, their inheritance, their property, their dollars, their merchandise, their livelihood. While the latter will look at the saints as their precious brethren, their equal, and will see themselves as no better and no more deserving than them. This is the way it's supposed to be.

The biggest enabler of this kind of thinking is that for a very long time the pastor has believed they alone are the five fold ministry, thinking they have graduated to some lofty place in the heavens that puts them above others and grants them some monetary and spiritual entitlement.

This is a heretical false doctrine of men. But has been very prevalent for a very long time. We can thank the RCC for this, because I believe that is where this doctrine was borrowed from.

2Pe 2:3.. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

1Ti 1:5.. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:..
1Ti 1:6.. From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;..
1Ti 1:7.. Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Anyway, i'm done for now. I have a lot more to say on this because it's still an issue in the Church today.

By the way, I think what Paul was saying regarding a women covering her head in 1 Co 11 is summed up in this verse:

1Co 11:5.. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

He says if they are praying or prophesying then they should be covered. Not at ALL times.

Just my thoughts.

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