67K New Priv Sec Jobs, -121K Gov Jobs! - Page 3

Jack Shephard · #21 09-03-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I do hold Bush and his Administration more responsible for this more than anyone else.

When you start to think about the BILLIONS OF TAX-PAYER DOLLARS unaccounted for in regards to spending in Iraq, it should make your blood boil!

All of that, and WE STILL DID NOT GET THE UP-ARMORRED VEHICLES AND PROTECTION THAT WOULD SAVE THE LIVES OF SO MANY MORE OF OUR HEROES!

While the "private contractors" were paid how much to do whatever they were doing? Even if their "mission" was legitimnate the inequity was maddening.

Of course the comapnies that prospered most had connections to that Administration (formal or informal.)

Fact is, the buck stops with Bush, in my mind because as President, the economy took its turn for the worst while he was still in office. The buck always stops witht the President-- or it should.

I agree that the spending on the war was way too much and being spent in the wrong places. You say the buck stops with the Prez, but you can see by this admin. that is clearly doesn't. Bush, nor any Prez, can get something off the ground without the help of these branches. Was Bush perfect? No way. Was he a good Prez..I think so. He had to deal with something that no one ever has in this countrys history. A terrorist threat beyond anything we have ever seeen, a terroist attack of epic proportion on our own soil, trying to make sure it didn't happen again, etc. the list keeps going.

I am not saying that 100 year down the road the country will look back and say the GWB was a great American Prez like it does fro Lincoln and others. But Lincoln was didn't have a great approval after ending slavery which lead to his murder. If in 100 years this country remembers GWB for being a great Prez it wouldn't shock me. We look at Lincoln and say he was a great leader for how he dealt with what he was handed. Bush was handed something that no one ever imagined would happen. It is hard to see it now, but I think that Bush will end up being looked at as a good Prez. I could be wrong, but I wonder what we would have thought back in Lincoln's day?

Jack Shephard · #22 09-03-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Has it even been a year yet?

I know it hasn't been two years yet.

She just shouldn't have made the statement-- job creation is dependent on so many other factors other than the passing of a law, even one as dramamtic as the historic Healthcare Reform Act.

Not sure exactly how long it has been, but I can tell you she is a good politician...over promising..under delivering. IMO.

Jack Shephard · #23 09-03-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Clinton lied.

In this situation, you can't pin a lie on Pelosi.

She could have even made a mistake.

When Clinton spoke, he already knew what he had done.

Clinton lied.

Clinton did lie. But we can only say that looking back at it. At the time the only person that knew he lied was Monica and himself. Pelosi said these remarks in fairly recent history not nearly 10 years ago.

Jack Shephard · #24 09-03-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by canam

No, because he is playing a giant shell game taxing people, through fees to us contractors and the average citizen, which in turn is being used to finance these no show jobs, for his Chicago cronies.Cap and trade is one of the scams, along with the requirement for every contractor to get a lead certification regardless of trade area ,which costs 300 to 600 and take an idiot test, then you also have to get one for your firm, which only requires you to send another check for 400. Were talking billions of dollars.And today comes the revelation that he was elected as a result of tremendous voter fraud (a former employee of Acorn became a whistle blower) which has just renamed itself and continues to perpetrate the same thing.When the Obama campaign donors maxed out they got the donor lists from the campaign(even more detailed then they provided to the FEC) and went after them again, to donate to Acorn which in turn funneled the money to the campaign.This will go down as the most corrupt presidency in history!

coadie · #25 09-03-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"Immediately" in coadie's post and "almost immediately" in Pelosi's words are very different-- especially when it comes to politics, with politicians who seem to lie whenever thier lips are moving.

Nevertheless, in THIS CASE, the burden here is to define what SHE meant by, "ALMOST immediately."

Maybe she was throwing a Christian referrence.

A day with the Lord is as a thousand years, right?

Bottom line, she did not say or imply, immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpBnO...eature=related

Immediately was one of her words.

Jermyn Davidson · #26 09-03-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by coadie

as a matter of fact I can. I can do any comparison I want to. And I will.

Go ahead.

Jermyn Davidson · #27 09-03-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Clinton did lie. But we can only say that looking back at it. At the time the only person that knew he lied was Monica and himself. Pelosi said these remarks in fairly recent history not nearly 10 years ago.

What I mean is this.

Clinton KNEW he was lying as he was lying.

In this situation, it would be impossible to prove that Pelosi is lying.

At best, she was being optimistic.
At worst, she made a mistake in her calculations.

Again, so much is involved in the creation of jobs.

She did not lie in this case-- but she just should not have said it at all.

Jermyn Davidson · #28 09-03-2010, 08:21 PM

The decison to invade Iraq and Hurricane Katrina will ALWAYS taint GWB's presidency.

The current economic downturn will be forgotten, eventually.

To his credit, things did not get as bad as they could have BECAUSE of his actions.

coadie · #29 09-03-2010, 08:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0bnoh74YBM

Town of less than 2,000.
He says 10,000 dead. Totally wiped out.

Actual dead 11 or 12.
Why does Obama make stuff up?

Praxeas · #30 09-03-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Doesn't the President get any credit when something good happens or is starting to happen?

Oh, I know-- only if the President is a REPUBLICAN!

Ok, now I understand!

Id rather thank the employers for the private sector jobs. You can thank Obama for raising your taxes and increasing inflation in order to create those gov jobs..BTW how many of them are permanent jobs and not some temp job like censes takers or IRS auditors?

Oh,while Im at it, It occurred to me that most of the jobs that were targeted for creation by our tax dollars were low paying shovel jobs..