Accepting Him or Rejecting Him; Jesus Name Baptism and Pentecostal Trinity Churches

[AGAPE]

A trinitarian preacher told me that when people insist that he baptize them in Jesus Name that he says "in the titles Father,Son,and Holy Spirit" under his breath

[Steve Epley]

I heard A. A. Allen say one time I baptize in the name of the F. S. HG. and for those who insist in Jesus Name.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

The bible says very specifically that those that are "led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God"(Rom 8:14). It also says that this Holy Ghost will "guide you into all truth" (John 16:13). I think most of us here agree that the correct method of baptizing in water is "in the Name of Jesus Christ". This is what makes us Apostolic, and separates us from others that claim the Pentecostal experience.

So why is it that most Pentecostal trinitarian churches reject water baptism in Jesus Name? Are they refusing to be led by the Spirit into all truth. Why is it that this fundamental, foundational doctrine is not being accepted by these that have received the Spirit?

Will God accept them if they do not follow the leading of the Spirit and accept the truth of water Baptism in Jesus Name?

I think much of the reason why they reject the Apostolic belief regarding baptism (notice I didn't say "the truth of water baptism in Jesus' name") is because Matthew 28:19 gives a specific command to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." For them, this command is consistent with their trinitarian doctrine. Another reason why they might not be inclined to accept Jesus'-name baptism is because of what they believe to be the error of the oneness or "Jesus only" churches.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Chan

I think much of the reason why they reject the Apostolic belief regarding baptism (notice I didn't say "the truth of water baptism in Jesus' name") is because Matthew 28:19 gives a specific command to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." For them, this command is consistent with their trinitarian doctrine. Another reason why they might not be inclined to accept Jesus'-name baptism is because of what they believe to be the error of the oneness or "Jesus only" churches.

Yes, I agree.

[sola gratia]

[Praxeas]

I know of a Trinitarian who was baptized in Jesus name. He was given that option in an AOG church. He was raised AOG.

BTW I just don't get into the discussions of who is saved or not saved or know knows Jesus etc etc...my saying someone is not saved has never convinced someone to be saved or to be baptized in Jesus name. They can only accept or reject what the word of God says and thus it is only important for us to properly present the word of God and let the chips fall where they may, so to speak

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

People are delusional if they think these so-called Trinitarian Pentecostal groups do not care how you baptize.
I contend there is NOT one group that would license a preacher who told them they believed in the Oneness of God and they insisted on baptizing in Jesus Name.
People are so hungry to erase the line of distinction the are living in lulu land.

If they find a RARE case they shout it from the housetop but most of the time when investigated it is NOTHING like the story the preacher was either misquoted or maybe will baptize someone in Jesus Name if the convert insists.
Then they listen to hear them say ONE word that may sound a little like Oneness and go claim hey they believe in One God. The foolishness of this is astounding. It looks like after decades of this foolishness people would tire of this.

Elder - I always laugh so hard when I read your posts. I think that our passion sometimes gets us both in trouble - I try to stay away from here to keep my blood pressure down! LOL
As you know - I continue to preach in a lot of "Trinity" Pentecostal churches. It is funny at times when I tell them that I was UPC at one time - then they work hard at impressing me with saying - well - I have baptized people in Jesus Name! Most everyone of them are proud of the fact that if someone insist on being baptized in Jesus name - that they will honor their request.

Sad to say - You are correct about this - there is a much larger gap than most of us realize. When we go among them - (as Mark Hanby says "They are Mixed Seed") - they will at times - tolerate us - but they certainly do not celebrate us!

[Pragmatist]

I attended an Assembly of God church for a time when I was in college. One of my friends was baptized and the youth pastor used Acts 2:38 as his scripture reference and then baptized in the titles and said something like because that was how the organization did it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

I attended an Assembly of God church for a time when I was in college. One of my friends was baptized and the youth pastor used Acts 2:38 as his scripture reference and then baptized in the titles and said something like because that was how the organization did it.

That's what they do in the CoC.. Acts 2:38 is one of their favorite verses because they believe in baptismal regeneration, but deny oneness, baptism in Jesus name and some even say tongues is of the devil

Originally Posted by Chan

I think much of the reason why they reject the Apostolic belief regarding baptism (notice I didn't say "the truth of water baptism in Jesus' name") is because Matthew 28:19 gives a specific command to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." For them, this command is consistent with their trinitarian doctrine. Another reason why they might not be inclined to accept Jesus'-name baptism is because of what they believe to be the error of the oneness or "Jesus only" churches.

This works great...if you chuck the rest of scripture. Who's looking?