Should we teach others to rebel against Standards?

[votivesoul]

The landmark of one's neighbor, and/or the removing thereof, had nothing to do with New Testament pastoral standards of the 21st century Oneness Pentecostal movement, but was a way to determine physical property lines and ownership. So why would anyone use the verse in Deuteronomy 27:17 to preach standards or that it's not okay to teach saints to "rebel" against their pastor's standards?

Does context not matter at all?

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

The landmark of one's neighbor, and/or the removing thereof, had nothing to do with New Testament pastoral standards of the 21st century Oneness Pentecostal movement, but was a way to determine physical property lines and ownership. So why would anyone use the verse in Deuteronomy 27:17 to preach standards or that it's not okay to teach saints to "rebel" against their pastor's standards?

Does context not matter at all?

I've literally heard sermons where a strawman argument was set up where someone rebels against what is taught by saying,"Got any Bible for that?" In the context of the sermon it was seen as something someone would do that was looking for excuses to "sin".

Sadly I've also seen the mindset of "Context isn't important as long as it makes a good sermon."....if this attitude was applied to how we portrayed people......we get in trouble for that but it's fine to take God's word out of context.

[Apostolic1ness]

It is very apparent you guys are not preachers. Yes context matters but there are many applications of various texts. The scripture states that marching around Jericho caused the walls to fall down. With your context only philosophy you cant connect this scripture to anything in your life.

I sure hope you dont sit in church and judge the pastor with you philosophy Im sure he has enough to fight against without having to fight through your spirit and attitude toward the preaching.

[Aquila]

What if a pastor decides to require tinfoil hats as a standard in the church?

I guess what I'm asking is, at what point does pastoral authority overstep its bounds into the realm of establishing doctrines and traditions of men?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What if a pastor decides to require tinfoil hats as a standard in the church?

I guess what I'm asking is, at what point does pastoral authority overstep its bounds into the realm of establishing doctrines and traditions of men?

exactly!

Or what if your pastor tells you to stand on your head and gargle peanut butter? or forbids you to wear red, or forbids you to fellowship with other apostolic saints because he is afraid you might switch churches?

[Aquila]

This kinda reminds me of Islam. Local Muslim tribal clerics allegedly have the authority to issue various fatwahs which the Ummah are required to obey. This has led to an innumerable number of customs, practices, and interpretations throughout the Muslim world, and has served to even cause infighting among them, thus dividing them.

We kinda see this kind of thing among Apostolics.

I wonder what would happen if we simply stuck to the Bible?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

exactly!

Or what if your pastor tells you to stand on your head and gargle peanut butter? or forbids you to wear red, or forbids you to fellowship with other apostolic saints because he is afraid you might switch churches?

Amen.

There has to be a point wherein the Bible loving saint of God has to draw a line and take a stand for the Word over the commandments of men.

But where is that point? When is that line crossed?

[Aquila]

Not to mention that if we teach the commandments of men as doctrines, that undermines the entire Acts 2:38 message. Throughout the Christian world, various Apostolic organizations have become heavily criticized for their legalisms. And these legalisms have been dissected by mainstream theologians an used to illustrate propensity for error...thereby allowing them to argue why anyone should believe our position on Acts 2:38 when we're outside of Scripture on so many other things.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Amen.

There has to be a point wherein the Bible loving saint of God has to draw a line and take a stand for the Word over the commandments of men.

But where is that point? When is that line crossed?

sometimes you might side with a brother that you would otherwise give nuggies to, just saying

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

sometimes you might side with a brother that you would otherwise give nuggies to, just saying

Amen.