Guns Don't Kill People 4 Year Olds Kill People

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by n david

Peter used a sword against a Roman soldier, but Jesus did not command he discard it, only to put it away.

I don't cherish the Constitution more than the word of God, that's nonsense.

Do you support any abortion rights? You said "unlimited," meaning you support killing babies in a "limited" way. Tell me, how do you mesh that with the Bible? You have no Scripture against guns, but there are Scriptures against murdering babies.

Whether you support Obama on a part or a whole, it's still supporting a gay rights activist, baby killer.

you always divert from the issue and attack left wing politics because you have no defense for why a christian who is not to resist evil should own a gun. admit your idolatry. i personally would not abort a baby. a woman is responsible for her own body before god. i would do everything to limit and prevent abortions up to taking away a woman's right to safe healthcare because back room abortions would endanger women's health. doesn't the constitution say freedom of religion? what right does anyone have imposing religious views on another person?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

you always divert from the issue and attack left wing politics because you have no defense for why a christian who is not to resist evil should own a gun. admit your idolatry.?

I answered that...Peter had a sword. Jesus told him only to put it away. He didn't say get rid of it. And, Jesus told His disciples to buy a sword if they had none. There is absolutely no Scripture against owning a gun. None whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i personally would not abort a baby. a woman is responsible for her own body before god. i would do everything to limit and prevent abortions up to taking away a woman's right to safe healthcare because back room abortions would endanger women's health. doesn't the constitution say freedom of religion? what right does anyone have imposing religious views on another person

So now you pick and choose which part of the constitution to follow?

[Hoovie]

Guns are no different than matches. Dangerous and not for small children. That's all.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by n david

I answered that...Peter had a sword. Jesus told him only to put it away. He didn't say get rid of it. And, Jesus told His disciples to buy a sword if they had none. There is absolutely no Scripture against owning a gun. None whatsoever.

So now you pick and choose which part of the constitution to follow?

i am not saying that owning a gun is anti constitutional. i am saying that christians shouldn't own a gun. there is no scripture for pants on women, marijuana, cocaine, lsd, heroin, movie theaters, tv, worldly music either. does that mean everything is ok according to the bible? what exactly would you use a gun for (minus hunting) if you are not to resist evil with violence according to the scriptures? the principle of resist not evil, turn the other cheek, love your enemies, put up your sword are clear in the bible. how is owning a gun consistent with these biblical principles?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i am not saying that owning a gun is anti constitutional. i am saying that christians shouldn't own a gun. there is no scripture for pants on women, marijuana, cocaine, lsd, heroin, movie theaters, tv, worldly music either. does that mean everything is ok according to the bible? what exactly would you use a gun for (minus hunting) if you are not to resist evil with violence according to the scriptures? the principle of resist not evil, turn the other cheek, love your enemies, put up your sword are clear in the bible. how is owning a gun consistent with these biblical principles?

I love that you keep ignoring my posts (2 now) where Jesus Himself first told the disciples who had no swords to buy one; and second, did not condemn Peter or command him to get rid of his sword.

You believe pants on women, going to theaters, watching TV and listening to secular music is wrong?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by n david

I love that you keep ignoring my posts (2 now) where Jesus Himself first told the disciples who had no swords to buy one; and second, did not condemn Peter or command him to get rid of his sword.

You believe pants on women, going to theaters, watching TV and listening to secular music is wrong?

no i don't believe they are wrong, i wasn't sure if you thought they were wrong. so you believe drugs are wrong even though the bible doesn't mention them except to say every herb of the field is good. how do you justify condemning drugs?

you mention one obscure verse that is not consistent with the founding principles of christianity. i do not believe every verse in the bible has the same weight. you mention one verse in isolation and i am asking you how owning a gun is consistent with the founding principles. you are copping out to justify your idolatry of american nationalism over and above the principles that can save your eternal soul. shame shame.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

no i don't believe they are wrong, i wasn't sure if you thought they were wrong. so you believe drugs are wrong even though the bible doesn't mention them except to say every herb of the field is good. how do you justify condemning drugs?

you mention one obscure verse that is not consistent with the founding principles of christianity. i do not believe every verse in the bible has the same weight. you mention one verse in isolation and i am asking you how owning a gun is consistent with the founding principles. you are copping out to justify your idolatry of american nationalism over and above the principles that can save your eternal soul. shame shame.

It's not "one obscure verse," there were two verses in which Jesus allowed the carrying of a weapon.

And let's talk about the so-called principles that make it a sin for a Christian to own a gun...

First, read Romans 12:18 "If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men."

If possible, meaning there may be a time or times when it isn't possible.

…you are not to resist evil with violence according to the scriptures? the principle of resist not evil, turn the other cheek, love your enemies, put up your sword.

Read those verses again.

1)Turn the other cheek isn't about a life-threatening situation. It's merely a slap in the face and deals more with pride than anything. Getting slapped in the face is embarrassing. The principle is don't be so filled with pride that you react to that kind of a blow. Doesn't mean you can't defend yourself in a life-threatening assault.

2)Love enemies, pray for those who persecute you, don't give evil for evil.... Again, this deals with something other than self defense. Revenge, holding a grudge or hatred.

3)You said it, "put away your sword." He didn't say put it down or get rid of it. He said put it away. And why? Because Jesus had to be arrested to fulfill prophecy. Also, Peter's life wasn't in danger.

Part of the OT law was that murder was sin, but a person could kill another defending his home. Why would God allow that, if He were against His people defending themselves?

You misuse and twist Scripture to advance your left-wing, socialist politics, and then have the audacity to shame me for having my beliefs, which you equate to idolatry.

You hypocrite. You use images of socialist dictators and constantly preach your gospel of socialism, and yet I'm the one in idolatry for simply stating the constitution?

Stop using those images, stop preaching socialism, and worry about the beam in your eye before trying to shame me for the splinter in mine.

[Dedicated Mind]

i'm through arguing. you obviously don't see the principle of nonviolence in the founding principles of the religion you claim to adhere to. you obviously use the american constitution as your hermeneutic to interpret the holy word of god. you are not alone. there are many like you that are deceived and do not know it. may god enlighten you to true biblical justice not american justice.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i'm through arguing. you obviously don't see the principle of nonviolence in the founding principles of the religion you claim to adhere to. you obviously use the american constitution as your hermeneutic to interpret the holy word of god. you are not alone. there are many like you that are deceived and do not know it. may god enlighten you to true biblical justice not american justice.

Figures. I show a reasonable argument about the "principles" you state - how they aren't about self-defense at all, and then show the hypocrisy of your "idolatry" argument with regard to your love of using dictators as your avatars and preaching your Obamanable gospel of socialism; and your response is to take your ball and go home.

. That's ok, I have to get up and ready for church anyway. Excited to take my copy of the Constitution and go worship Jesus...and the Founding Fathers. Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition!

[Timmy]

I bet a lot of people wish Matthew 5:39, Luke 6:29, Luke 22:51, 1 Peter 3:9, and Romans 12:17 weren't in their Book.