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Re: Legality of Same Sex Marriage
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First hermaphrodites are rare and not natural. Unnatural deviations occur for many reasons but all are present because of the fallen world in which we live. Some deviations occur because drug use. Some deviations occur because of incest. We do not necessarily know why all deviations occur yet we see their affects. These deviations cannot be said to be "God ordained" (the "will" of God).
Hermaphroditic deviations may have unknown causes but that does not necessitate the "will" of God. More often than not things happen because of choices we make. As to the deviations stipulated here typically only one set of "plumbing" works meaning the person is what the working plumbing indicates.
BTW this is a Red Herring and has little to nothing to do with the thread because it focuses on a statistically rare abberation instead of dealing with the subject matter. Judgement by exception is nonsense because there will always be exceptions to every rule.
As to being "born in the wrong body" - your words... You have presented your own logic with a conundrum. If God created it how can it be the wrong body? Does your God make mistakes? Your own statement reveals the fallacy of the logic...
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Excellent post, Pliny. 
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01-02-2013, 03:24 PM
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Re: Legality of Same Sex Marriage
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I sure would like to know what Jonathan and David were talking about when one said to the other, I love you more than the love of a WOMAN. No one can ever explain that one.
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I am surprised no one has explained this to you. It is a metaphor to express the grief David felt at the loss of a true and dear friend.
Perhaps this can help you:
http://examples.yourdictionary.com/m...-examples.html
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01-02-2013, 03:26 PM
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Re: Legality of Same Sex Marriage
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Excellent post, Pliny. |
Thank you.
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01-02-2013, 05:05 PM
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Re: Legality of Same Sex Marriage
I have mixed feelings about gay marriage. I think its wrong per GOD's word. Period. That is not up for debate with me. On the other hand, I do not want the government to have any say in who should be allow to marry based on a personal choice. Whats next if they do? Can they discriminate against interracial couples? Can they discriminate against my choice of religion? Also, if Christians want a law making same sex marriage illegal they need to come up with a non religious reason for it. As long as they try to get a law passed based on religion it wont pass. Any non religious reasons for making same sex marriage illegal? Even the thread starter used the word creator. Thats a religious word.
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01-02-2013, 05:23 PM
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Re: Legality of Same Sex Marriage
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what do you say then to those who are born with BOTH female and Male parts? And what do you say then to those who are born in the wrong body????? We need to learn to accept what God has made because he does not make mistakes.
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There is no proof someone was born "in the wrong body". Even if true you are confusing trans gender with homosexuality
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Re: Legality of Same Sex Marriage
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I sure would like to know what Jonathan and David were talking about when one said to the other, I love you more than the love of a WOMAN. No one can ever explain that one.
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Is God's love greater than the love a man has for his wife?
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-02-2013, 05:29 PM
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Re: Legality of Same Sex Marriage
David's love was as David loved his own soul
1 Samuel 20:17 ESV
And Jonathan made David swear again by his love for him, for he loved him as he loved his own soul.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-02-2013, 06:47 PM
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Re: Legality of Same Sex Marriage
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Born in the wrong body?
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Good question.
There is no such thing.
Remember Memphis, TN said God does not make mistakes.
I believe that too. Therefore, nobody is born into the wrong body.
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01-02-2013, 06:51 PM
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Re: Legality of Same Sex Marriage
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Are you insinuating that David and Jonathan were homosexuals?
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I've heard that argument from the gays.
I have had girlfriends that I loved very much, but never in a sexual way.
We had a bond that the love of my husband could not surpass. It doesn't mean that I loved her more than him, it only meant that it was a different kind of love that my husband could not fulfill and that my husband's love is something that she could never fulfill.
One has got to be able to experience that type of love in order to understand David and Jonathan's love.
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01-02-2013, 06:58 PM
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Re: Legality of Same Sex Marriage
Before there were legalities in or about marriage, there was/is God.
I don't care what mankind 'legalizes'...
What is important is what God sees.
Does he see same sex couples as husband and wife (oxymoron?) in His eyes?
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