When did God Do Miracles because of Obedience....

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He won't put a disease on them, isn't the same as working a miracle FOR them

But it does show what LS and others need it to. It shows that if we keep God's statutes we will have an extra level of protection by not being diseased by God.

[Michael The Disciple]

Religous rules? What is that? When YHWH gives rules it is his commands. The entire Old Testament is laced with obedience to his rules.

The New Testament also has the same flavor.

[22] And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22

YHWH does not give "religous rules". He gives HIS COMMANDS.

When his people obey they can expect his interaction in their lives.

[Justin]

"Obedience is better than sacrifice" 2 Sam (If I recall)

[Praxeas]

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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

But it does show what LS and others need it to. It shows that if we keep God's statutes we will have an extra level of protection by not being diseased by God.

No it doesn't. It shows God won't personally curse you. It does not show what LS teaches

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Religous rules? What is that? When YHWH gives rules it is his commands. The entire Old Testament is laced with obedience to his rules.

The New Testament also has the same flavor.

[22] And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22

YHWH does not give "religous rules". He gives HIS COMMANDS.

When his people obey they can expect his interaction in their lives.

Here is a difference I am meaning

Religious rule "Don't cut your hair ladies and God will send angels to protect your family"


Non-religious command "Wash 3 times in the river jordan and your leprosy will be gone"

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Justin

"Obedience is better than sacrifice" 2 Sam (If I recall)

Obedience IS better than sacrifice, but that doesn't address my question

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

He won't put a disease on them, isn't the same as working a miracle FOR them

That is correct, however the identification of "Jehovah Rapha" at least appears to intimate "healings" along with the avoidance of "curses."

I don't think I can come up with something that is a "one-to-one" example of what you asked for - but this came to mind and it seemed close.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Religous rules? What is that? When YHWH gives rules it is his commands. The entire Old Testament is laced with obedience to his rules.

The New Testament also has the same flavor.

[22] And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22

YHWH does not give "religous rules". He gives HIS COMMANDS.

When his people obey they can expect his interaction in their lives.

You present an alternate way of looking at things from what I have come to accept. There was a time when I would have said much of what you've just said and in the same context.

One big motivator in the change was that other thing you said: "When his people obey they can expect his interaction in their lives."

I simply never found that to be true. NOW!!!! DO NOT think that I'm saying God "blesses" disobedience or that there are not consequences to sin - there are.

But what I found was that instead of praying and worshiping God in some sort of "barter" relationship, I find a greater presence and a much richer life when I lean more on the "Giver of Gifts" angle of looking at Him.

Nothing good ever came into my life because I "obeyed God's commandments" or the "religious" stuff that most of us claim to be His commandments as well. I never prospered because I tithed, I was never healed because I was faithful or anything like that. Life was a miserable series of "have-to-do" types of ordinances and there was absolutely no joy in serving God.

When I was freed from that environment I found that God was more real than ever before. The diseases that had been slowly killing me all of my life were either healed - or avoided altogether by understanding a little bit of general science and biology. (The Bible's dietary laws were of no use whatsoever to me but I did need a careful diet - something that "God" had never revealed in His word).

I find that He "interacts" in my life now more than He ever did before. I don't obey any "commandments" because "I have to." I walk in the light as He is in the light. I just sort of follow Him along this journey now.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You present an alternate way of looking at things from what I have come to accept. There was a time when I would have said much of what you've just said and in the same context.

One big motivator in the change was that other thing you said: "When his people obey they can expect his interaction in their lives."

I simply never found that to be true. NOW!!!! DO NOT think that I'm saying God "blesses" disobedience or that there are not consequences to sin - there are.

But what I found was that instead of praying and worshiping God in some sort of "barter" relationship, I find a greater presence and a much richer life when I lean more on the "Giver of Gifts" angle of looking at Him.

Nothing good ever came into my life because I "obeyed God's commandments" or the "religious" stuff that most of us claim to be His commandments as well. I never prospered because I tithed, I was never healed because I was faithful or anything like that. Life was a miserable series of "have-to-do" types of ordinances and there was absolutely no joy in serving God.

When I was freed from that environment I found that God was more real than ever before. The diseases that had been slowly killing me all of my life were either healed - or avoided altogether by understanding a little bit of general science and biology. (The Bible's dietary laws were of no use whatsoever to me but I did need a careful diet - something that "God" had never revealed in His word).

I find that He "interacts" in my life now more than He ever did before. I don't obey any "commandments" because "I have to." I walk in the light as He is in the light. I just sort of follow Him along this journey now.

Good for you. Yet Gods word does not change.

[10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

Yeshua placed much importance on the connection between his love and keeping his commands. A real problem in the Churches today is that so many have been led to believe you cannot have a spirit led, loving Jesus walk which stresses keeping his commandments and also abide in his love.

Jesus taught this as THE truth.