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01-18-2008, 01:27 PM
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The death of Jesus was the sufficient atoning death for all sins. That does not mean that everyone's sins were already forgiven back then before faith and repentance
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-18-2008, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Adino
Given that all our sin was reckoned to Christ.
Given that all sin reckoned to Christ was remitted prior to the resurrection, else he would not have been raised from the dead.
1) What further remission do we obtain in the waters of baptism which did not happen on the Cross?
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Baptism is what connects us to the cross, since we are baptized into His experience of death on the cross. Ro 6:3. They are inseparable. Hence, repentance and baptism is said to remit sins as well as the blood. We connect to the blood and the cross by baptism into death.
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2) Does the teaching of baptismal sin remission declare a disbelief in the sin remitting work of the Cross?
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Nope, not if understood correctly in light of Ro 6:3.
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01-18-2008, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
The death of Jesus was the sufficient atoning death for all sins. That does not mean that everyone's sins were already forgiven back then before faith and repentance
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Right. That is why we read SO MANY OF US AS WERE BAPTIZED INTO JESUS CHRIST...
Baptism took us to the cross where sins were remitted, so that is the reason baptism is involved.
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01-18-2008, 09:33 PM
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WE are to be baptized in Jesus name FOR the remissions of sins.
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01-18-2008, 09:36 PM
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All Jesus did was make it a possibility.......
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01-19-2008, 06:47 AM
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Having been reconciled we can be saved by his life. Forgiveness came in order to allow the free gift of life. Those who accept by faith the forgiveness provided on the cross are granted life. We are quickened having been forgiven.
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01-19-2008, 06:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Adino
Given that all our sin was reckoned to Christ.
Given that all sin reckoned to Christ was remitted prior to the resurrection, else he would not have been raised from the dead.
1) What further remission do we obtain in the waters of baptism which did not happen on the Cross?
2) Does the teaching of baptismal sin remission declare a disbelief in the sin remitting work of the Cross?
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Adino since our sins were remitted at Calvary by His blood(and I agree) what further remission does one obtain by faith and repentance? Does the teaching of faith only make man his own savior and declare disbelief in the finished work of Calvary? Two can play at this word game.
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01-19-2008, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Adino
Having been reconciled we can be saved by his life. Forgiveness came in order to allow the free gift of life. Those who accept by faith the forgiveness provided on the cross are granted life. We are quickened having been forgiven.
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He died for our sins and rose for our justification.
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01-19-2008, 06:50 PM
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The vicarious sacrifice of Christ at calvary,provided for justification through the atonement,but it does no one any good unless they obey the gospel,and place their faith in Christ.
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01-19-2008, 08:31 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Let me put it this way. Since Jesus fulfilled the Law, at what point was the sins of Israel pushed forward? Was it when the lamb was slain? Was it when the blood was placed upon the giver of the sacrifice? Was it when the scape goat was let go? Was it when the blood was offered in the Holies of Holies?
also, does remission of sins = being born again?
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Just bumping these questions.
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