Remitted on the Cross or not?

[Adino]

Prax, do we remain justified if we sin?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Adino

Prax, do we remain justified if we sin?

Yes as long as we have faith. However continuing to sin could be an indication of a loss of faith.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes as long as we have faith. However continuing to sin could be an indication of a loss of faith.

Then you believe a man can be simultaneously justified and unforgiven?

[Adino]

In fact, Prax, you asked me this question in post #126:

"How can one be justified and not forgiven?"

I now ask you the same question. If we remain justified when we sin and there is still a need of being forgiven by God for that sin after confession is made according to your understanding of 1John 1:9..... How can one be justified and not forgiven?

[Adino]

Legalist, in your view, when one sins and is no longer justified in God's eyes does he retain the Spirit? Does the believer who sins remain spiritually alive or does he not only need to be justified again but spiritually quickened again as well?

[Adino]

Legalist, one more for you....

When a believer sins, is he immediately condemned or does he have a grace period during which he remains justified until he comes to repentance?

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Adino

Legalist, in your view, when one sins and is no longer justified in God's eyes does he retain the Spirit? Does the believer who sins remain spiritually alive or does he not only need to be justified again but spiritually quickened again as well?

Retain is a very I don't know just bad word to use. Your view of justified and the meaning behind it is not compatible what what I view as justified. Somethings would be similar but overall and how it is taken I doubt it. Justified is very simple but there are different forms of justification and what it means in context. IF your heart is at enmity to God you are not justified. Thus you heart is dead to God. So yes you are dead in part. You are the servant to whom you obey. When one turns at heart toward God there heart stands right "toward him" Thus they do his will even as the below vs say. Also to be "made alive" is a matter of action... Being cold or hot or lukewarm. Only one is acceptable. God constantly judges the heart and whether you are just toward him.




Eze 33:12 Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
Eze 33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Eze 33:14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
Eze 33:15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Eze 33:16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
Eze 33:17 Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
Eze 33:18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
Eze 33:19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Adino

Legalist, one more for you....

When a believer sins, is he immediately condemned or does he have a grace period during which he remains justified until he comes to repentance?

You use the term Grace in a way that I would not use it. See my previous point. He is dead as his heart is at enmity against God. WHich is denial of the Spirit will..... which God cannot forgive.

[Adino]

TheLegalist wrote:

Retain is a very I don't know just bad word to use. Your view of justified and the meaning behind it is not compatible what what I view as justified. Somethings would be similar but overall and how it is taken I doubt it. Justified is very simple but there are different forms of justification and what it means in context. IF your heart is at enmity to God you are not justified. Thus you heart is dead to God. So yes you are dead in part. You are the servant to whom you obey. When one turns at heart toward God there heart stands right "toward him" Thus they do his will even as the below vs say. Also to be "made alive" is a matter of action... Being cold or hot or lukewarm. Only one is acceptable. God constantly judges the heart and whether you are just toward him.

Ok... we'll simplify it for you. Does the Spirit of God dwell in an unforgiven believer who has sinned?

[Adino]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

You use the term Grace in a way that I would not use it. See my previous point. He is dead as his heart is at enmity against God. WHich is denial of the Spirit will..... which God cannot forgive.

So he is immediately in a state of condemnation. Correct?