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Re: Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/
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What are your primary sources for ancient attire of Hebrews?
I can't find the website you are referring. Is all your research based on this one website?
CC1, what are you saying above? Are you saying there is little information on this subject, or that you were only able to find very little information regarding this subject? Yet you found information that says there was difference between male and female head coverings? Didn't men cover their heads in the scripture during mourning? David ascending the mount of Olives barefoot while covering his head weeping 2nd Samuel 15:30, Leviticus 10:6 Aaron instructions to his son not to uncover their heads to not show the sign of mourning for Nadab and Abihu who brought forth strange fire to the Lord.
Jeremiah 14:2-3 the servants being sent by mourning noblemen come to dry cisterns and cover their heads in shame. If the Hebrew Bible shines such a negative light on male head covering, why would it be a part of their attire of the men? Talmudic Jews will tell you that there is no Torah ordinance for a Jew to wear a yarmulke (Yiddish) kippah (Hebrew). I was taught growing up that the head covering of the yarmulke was to show mourning for the temple. |
EB, I mde my first statement about differences in their garments based on my memory. i could not recall specifically so did some research on the internet and that is why I said there is very little information I have uncovered. I am not saying there is not information out there but my limited search did not find it today. Here is a link to the site I quoted (however I looked at additional sites that pretty much had the same information)
http://www.womeninthebible.net/3.3.Clothing_housing.htm
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-24-2014, 07:47 PM
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Re: Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/
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EB, I mde my first statement about differences in their garments based on my memory. i could not recall specifically so did some research on the internet and that is why I said there is very little information I have uncovered. I am not saying there is not information out there but my limited search did not find it today. Here is a link to the site I quoted (however I looked at additional sites that pretty much had the same information)
http://www.womeninthebible.net/3.3.Clothing_housing.htm |
OK, you don't know, and your information on this subject is limited.
Thank you, that's all I was looking to find out.
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Re: Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/
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Are you a pastor?
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Re: Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/
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You said they are having a backdoor revival, folks leaving all over the place, that is false.
You imply he's hell bound and deceiving people, yet he still preaches oneness, baptism in JN, the Spirit baptism w/tongues, and holiness ( just not YOUR code).
Like I posted earlier you are lying (about the mass exodus) gossiping ( by suggesting there are certain things going on behind the scene) and damning the man to hell.
You are wrong.
And for the record I don't agree with SP on tongues, I hope he sees the truth of justification by faith. I disagree with him on some other doctrines. But to treat him as a heathen and publican as you are doing is dead wrong.
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Hey Brother Badejo, are you still with the brother who was on those CDs you sent me?
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08-24-2014, 07:55 PM
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Re: Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/
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Baloney.
You are sowing discord in that church, impugning the man's character, and slandering him publicly.
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You have issues. 
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08-24-2014, 07:56 PM
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Re: Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/
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OK, you don't know, and your information on this subject is limited.
Thank you, that's all I was looking to find out.
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You are correct. What I do know for certain is that the garments worn by male and females in biblical times were very similar. That has been conssitent with what I have read throughout my life when i have seen material on the subject.
I believe that is why modern Pentecostals rationalization of forbidding women to wear pants is most times simply given as a cultural one. They will point out that in Western culture pants are associated with men and dresses with women. You may recall conservatives even using the universal signs for men's and women's restrooms as "proof".
Of course they totally ignore the cultural shift sine WWII and the fact that for many decades now women wear pants nearly as much as men do and that the cut of pants for women is clearly different than that of men so there is still a distinction between the sexes.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-24-2014, 08:32 PM
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Hey Brother Badejo, are you still with the brother who was on those CDs you sent me?
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No I am not. I am still friends with him but we did part ways when I saw the truth of justification by faith and denied that tongues was the only universal initial evidence of the baptism of the HG.
I now pastor a small church here in Decatur. Fellowshipbiblentx.org
Been in that church 3 years, been pastor since May 2013.
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Re: Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/
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You are correct. What I do know for certain is that the garments worn by male and females in biblical times were very similar. That has been conssitent with what I have read throughout my life when i have seen material on the subject.
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I am correct that you don't know, and have limited information on this subject? Yet you know for certain the garments in "Biblical times" were the similar for both genders? Because this was what you have "read" throughout your life when you seen material on the subject? Did you ever consider that you might be wrong concerning this subject? That the difference between men and women's clothing in Judea and Israel were greater than we could even imagine? That even other groups around the Roman Empire also had strong differences in dress concerning male and female. That in Rome one needed to be dressed a certain way to indicate that status in the Empire.
Even homosexuals and prostitutes were know by their clothing, hence attire of a harlot statement found in Proverbs 7:10.
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I believe that is why modern Pentecostals rationalization of forbidding women to wear pants is most times simply given as a cultural one.
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What culture? The United States? Bosnia? India? When you say modern Pentecostal are you basically referring to the United States?
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They will point out that in Western culture pants are associated with men and dresses with women. You may recall conservatives even using the universal signs for men's and women's restrooms as "proof".
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Do you believe that God doesn't care about differences in attire between males and females. Not even talking pants, but differences between genders? If cultural, let's say United States, then does man dictate to God what is masculine or feminine? Or the other way around?
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Of course they totally ignore the cultural shift sine WWII and the fact that for many decades now women wear pants nearly as much as men do and that the cut of pants for women is clearly different than that of men so there is still a distinction between the sexes.
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So who is charge of what to wear?
God or man?
Also culture dictates how much clothes you need in public.
So in your view, how little is too little?
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08-24-2014, 08:35 PM
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Re: Welcome Fellow Christians - Steve Pixler 8/17/
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No I am not. Yes I pastor a small church here in Decatur. Fellowshipbiblentx.org
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If it was Decatur Alabama I would have met you for coffee on my next business trip there but Decatur Texas is a different story!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-24-2014, 08:36 PM
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If it was Decatur Alabama I would have met you for coffee on my next business trip there but Decatur Texas is a different story!
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Bummer. But I can tell you everything is better here in TX. 
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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