Overcoming Lust - Easy to do?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by meBNme

At the risk of looking like I am (not my intention)

I am curious about something.
While I do believe that there is some truth in the statement that a man with a lustful heart will likely lust no matter what apparel a woman wears, I also feel that what people wear does have bearing on temptation, and drawing attention to areas of the body that incite lust.

Do you like chocolate? I do.
I also like little white powdered doughnuts.
Now if my wife or I don't buy powdered doughnuts, I can go for several weeks without feeling the urge for a powdered doughnut.
But buddy, you set that bag on the counter and I guarantee you it wont be there in 48 hours time for sure.

The doughnuts are always available for me to look at, lust after and consume anytime I want, I just have to go get em.
But when they are bared in all their glory through that little plastic see through window on the bag, right there on the counter.......

I am getting the impression that you are of the opinion that it doesnt matter what a woman wears. She could be wearing a dress so tight if she had a quarter in her pocket you could see if it were heads or tails. Her split could be up to her waist and the neckline determined to meet it. She could have more curves than 400 miles of mountain back roads, and showing them for all the world to see....... AND YET STILL she is completely blameless
when guys look and lust.

Am I reading you wrong? If so I apologize. This is the impression I am getting.

If I tell my wife that I want to lose 5 or 10 pounds so I'm going on a diet.
It would be wrong of her to go buy a bag of those evil, little white powdered doughnuts, and come set them on my nightstand with that little see through window in all its glorious view.
Yeah, I'd be wrong for eaten em since I should be taking care of my body and need to lose weight.
But she would not be completely blameless either.

The Bible says to dress in modest apparel for a reason. I think part of it is because God knows how he created men. He knows that even a man not typically given to sinful lust is certainly far more tempted to give in to lustful imaginations thoughts or deeds if the object of lust is bared right on front of his eyes.

There has been three people tell her she is wrong but she will argue untill you look like a doughnut.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Unlike Joelel, I think you asked a legitimate question. Joelel just wants to make me feel intimidated and appear to look a fool. I am no fool. I will agree with meBNme and say that there are women who go out of their way to exude sexuality/sensuality and most poeple a know them for what they are and as Bro. Stewart said...God tells you to flee from the devil.

I do think that when there is lust in a man's heart that it has very little to do with how a woman looks or what she wears. I know several men who have had sexual addictions and the women, list of women you see them with are many times; quite ugly [no physical beauty], some rarely in their right mind to the point of being mentally retarded, and some will even practice bestiality, and necromancy. When the sexual sins beset you it isn't about anything but the entertainment of the evil spirit in your life and unless you choose deliverance you will never be free from it.

The Bible talks about the weights and sins that so easily beset us - we all have a pet sin...that same thing that comes back to torment us. Only you as an idvidual knows what it is in your life. This is something we have to flee from, give no place to, and have accountability to maintain freedom from that one thing that always seems to come back to you in weak moments.

Paul speaks about this when he tells us that the things he wants to do - he fails to do and the things he struggles with and don't want to do is what he ends up doing. You and I are no different than Paul and each of us have our struggle/problem area that needs God's mercy and grace to cover and deliver us from. The first step is identifying what it is, repenting of it, and take every precaution to keep it from attaching itself to us again. If and when it does...we go through the same process: know the triggers, run/flee from those situations, and run to the foot of the cross.

Blessings, Rhoni

First place,I never seen you to know how you dress,so you must feel guilt.
Second,You make yourself look like a fool because three others have told you your wrong and you keep trying to weasel your way around the fact by saying i'm trying to intimidated and make you look like a fool.Third,I been around the world before I got filled with the Holy Ghost and know there are as many perverted women in the world as men who play all kind of games for all kind of reasons.One game most women play is they dress to look sexey for men,So get off your high horse.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Do you mean necrophilia, or actually necromancy?

Anyway, counseling must be quite the trip at times, lol.

Yes it must be a trip when you tell a rape victim the reason she got raped is because the man is a pervert and retarded,covering up the fact the woman is just as retarded and perverted for wearing her tight sexy clothes swinging her body parts down the street enticing the men.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Counseling is interesting. The more I counsel the more I know people are the same. We all struggle with the same issues but we each look at the situation from the eyes of our own personal experience with it.

Yes,one most important thing is,you can send someone on a worse trip if you don't know what your talking about,sorry to be so bold with you but you can hurt a hurt person much worse.It's dangerous when you mess with peoples minds.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by ronharvey

Donut: Noun

1. Sugared Biscuit

Ron

Nice to know some people are sincere.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by 2020Vision

Exactly. I'm still trying to understand what it means to have "lust in your heart", as opposed to in your flesh. As if some are exempt from lust, and others are poisoned with it. It's EVERY person's battle, and yes, a man's battle is different than a woman's, because we are made differently. 1 John 2:16 tells us it's not from God, but neither was sin. It's Adam's fault and the Prince of this World. The "donuts" caught my attention.

The word heart can mean mind.Your mind controls your flesh.

Col.2
[18] Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Jas.4
[8] Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Joelel

First place,I never seen you to know how you dress,so you must feel guilt.
Second,You make yourself look like a fool because three others have told you your wrong and you keep trying to weasel your way around the fact by saying i'm trying to intimidated and make you look like a fool.Third,I been around the world before I got filled with the Holy Ghost and know there are as many perverted women in the world as men who play all kind of games for all kind of reasons.One game most women play is they dress to look sexey for men,So get off your high horse.

Joelel, there have been THIRTY people on this forum tell you that YOU are wrong and yet you continue to spew your nonsensical drivel from Dan to Beersheba, so if ignoring intelligent advice makes one a fool, you are the biggest fool of all.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Joelel, there have been THIRTY people on this forum tell you that YOU are wrong and yet you continue to spew your nonsensical drivel from Dan to Beersheba, so if ignoring intelligent advice makes one a fool, you are the biggest fool of all.

Exactly!

Blessings, Rhoni

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Humans don't need a personal devil to have problems with lust. All we need is to be humans with a fallen nature. Blaming everything on the devil is one of the oldest lies even in the garden lol

On the other hand, people often underestimate the grip Satan can and does have on their life, and try to rid themselves of sin of their own accord, when in fact, they do need to pray, fast, submit to God, resist the devil, and purify their minds. Satan does wield influence, and he plays on the weaknesses we already have.

To leave him out of the picture entirely is short sighted and possibly dangerous. We need God's help to overcome our flesh and to overcome principalities and powers that would seek to destroy us.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

On the other hand, people often underestimate the grip Satan can and does have on their life, and try to rid themselves of sin of their own accord, when in fact, they do need to pray, fast, submit to God, resist the devil, and purify their minds. Satan does wield influence, and he plays on the weaknesses we already have.

To leave him out of the picture entirely is short sighted and possibly dangerous. We need God's help to overcome our flesh and to overcome principalities and powers that would seek to destroy us.

Miss B,

You are so right.Today we are not fighting against flesh and blood, but principalities, powers/spirits and to discount this would be foolish on our part.

I have stated this on a couple different threads but I believe, like Paul, we all have things we struggle with and without the spirit of God, fasting, prayer, and accountability we will continue to succomb to these things.

Blessings, Rhoni