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07-26-2008, 09:59 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by CC1
I don't believe the one stepper exUPC churches emphasize Jesus Name baptism enough. Not like the so called PCIers of old in the UPC did.
It is as if since they don't see baptism as a prerequisite to salvation they no longer emphasize the correct biblical method when it is done.
In the case of my church we only baptize in Jesus name but it is not emphasized enough in my opinion.
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So it is the preacher that has to lead the saint, and not the holy ghost??
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07-26-2008, 09:59 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Of ever changing colors?
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Can you answer the question Elder? I ask this respectfully.
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07-26-2008, 10:00 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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It just is no longer worth the effort. Honestly, I think if it came down to it this would be the answer that most Cons that left would give you all. It just ain't worth the fight to defend apostolic doctrine on a forum that is for apostolics.
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StMatthew, not all Apostolics fit into the mold some try to put us in. I still believe in Jesus name baptism and One God. But, is such understanding salvational? No.
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07-26-2008, 10:01 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
It just is no longer worth the effort. Honestly, I think if it came down to it this would be the answer that most Cons that left would give you all. It just ain't worth the fight to defend apostolic doctrine on a forum that is for apostolics.
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Be not weary in well doing, Matt. Don't put down your sword. Take a break, get some R + R then come back into the fray of defending the faith that was once delivered to the saints. 
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07-26-2008, 10:02 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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So it is the preacher that has to lead the saint, and not the holy ghost??
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I would like to think both would.
However I can use your premise and wonder why so many Oneness Pentecostal preachers are caught up in legalism that is not biblical.
I could judge that they are all going to hell because they are not seeing the error of their ways in trying to earn their salvation and instilling judgmentalism in their saints.
That would be goofy just as I believe your application is.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-26-2008, 10:03 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Be not weary in well doing, Matt. Don't put down your sword. Take a break, get some R + R then come back into the fray of defending the faith that was once delivered to the saints. |
He just needs to drink more caffine!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-26-2008, 10:03 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Not worth it huh? Hmmmmmmm..........................
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Don't read into this what is not there. I did not say people are not worth it. I care about every person here, or I would not be here anymore. But it is obvious that most of us have already decided what we are going to believe, thus the same ole, same ole gets tiring. I have flipping Bill here that has encompassed every belief possible trying to tell me about salvation. It just aint worth it. It wears a person out after a while. It is not just a natural battle of words, but a spiritual one as well.
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07-26-2008, 10:03 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by Brother Price
Can you answer the question Elder? I ask this respectfully.
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What do you believe in today? What will I be answering, that you couldn't answer in a week from now? Hey Bill, do us a favor put me on ignore...respectfully. 
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07-26-2008, 10:06 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Don't read into this what is not there. I did not say people are not worth it. I care about every person here, or I would not be here anymore. But it is obvious that most of us have already decided what we are going to believe, thus the same ole, same ole gets tiring. I have flipping Bill here that has encompassed every belief possible trying to tell me about salvation. It just aint worth it. It wears a person out after a while. It is not just a natural battle of words, but a spiritual one as well.
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Caffine. 
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-26-2008, 10:07 PM
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Holy Unto The Lord
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
What do you believe in today? What will I be answering, that you couldn't answer in a week from now? Hey Bill, do us a favor put me on ignore...respectfully. |
Elder, with respect, no. You are welcome to do so for me. But, understand this. Taking pot shots at me will not remove the fact that you are unable to answer this simple treatise. If God does not dwell where they worship false gods, or so you claim, then why does His Spirit manifest in those saints who call on Him in faith believing? There is no need for low blows or taking slaps. As an elder of the church, I ask respectfully how this is possible?
BTW, that was a good parting shot, if I say so myself. But, the question, dearest elder, remains unanswered.
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