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02-19-2016, 12:43 PM
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Re: Sen. Ted Cruz Makes It Official
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Apple did it though. You don't seem to understand. The Judge wants Apple to give their PRIVATE, PROPRIETARY software to the government so good old uncle can use it whenever he goes on a bender.
Unless you've listened to Bernie too much and become a socialist, private companies should not be forced to do something like this.
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But in a legal brief, Apple acknowledged that the phone in the meth case was running version 7 of the iPhone operating system, which means the company can access it. “For these devices, Apple has the technical ability to extract certain categories of unencrypted data from a passcode locked iOS device,” the company said in a court brief.
Whether the extraction would be successful depended on whether the phone was “in good working order,” Apple said, noting that the company hadn’t inspected the phone yet. But as a general matter, yes, Apple could crack the iPhone for the government. And, two technical experts told The Daily Beast, the company could do so with the phone used by deceased San Bernardino shooter, Syed Rizwan Farook, a model 5C. It was running version 9 of the operating system.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...es-before.html
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02-19-2016, 03:59 PM
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Re: Sen. Ted Cruz Makes It Official
I see people on Twitter and elsewhere claiming that this is an intrusion on Apple’s rights because it is the government forcing Apple to work for it, and to create a product that does not exist. This seems like a good argument until you think about it for a second. When law enforcement has a phone company set up a pen register or trap and trace, people at the phone company have to expend labor to comply. When law enforcement obtains a search warrant for cell phone records, a custodian of records has to work to comply.
When a Congressional committee, or a party seeking documents through FOIA, seeks Hillary’s emails, people have to work to comply. Are we saying they shouldn’t have to?
But, it is argued, Apple should not have to create a new software program for the government. I await Apple’s argument on this, as does Kerr — but such an argument seems unlikely to succeed. The features the government seeks to disable — such as the auto-erase, and the delays caused when bad passcode guesses are made — are features Apple put into their code. Creating software that turns those features off does not sound particularly hard for a company that created software to enable those features.
http://patterico.com/2016/02/19/the-...uve-been-told/
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02-19-2016, 05:32 PM
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Why should a private company be forced to create software which allows the government to bypass their security? Especially when the government has proven it will bypass the Constitution and spy on her citizens.
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02-19-2016, 06:27 PM
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Re: Sen. Ted Cruz Makes It Official
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Why should a private company be forced to create software which allows the government to bypass their security? Especially when the government has proven it will bypass the Constitution and spy on her citizens.
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Seeking THROUGH FOIA. Apple has the capability. It's about their brand and nothing else. They can extract the information and hand it over to the authorities for the good of the country. That has nothing to do with YOUR phone or MINE. It is ONE phone.
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02-19-2016, 06:29 PM
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Just listened to Phil Robertson. He is always great!
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02-19-2016, 08:03 PM
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Seeking THROUGH FOIA. Apple has the capability. It's about their brand and nothing else. They can extract the information and hand it over to the authorities for the good of the country. That has nothing to do with YOUR phone or MINE. It is ONE phone.
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It's not just one phone. They want proprietary software so they can access any other phone they wish.
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02-20-2016, 09:26 AM
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Yesterday, the government backed down and offered a compromise:
"'The Obama administration told a magistrate judge Friday it would be willing to allow Apple to retain possession of and later destroy specialized software it was ordered to create to help federal authorities hack into the encrypted iPhone belong to Syed Rizwan Farook.
.."Apple may maintain custody of the software, destroy it after its purpose under the order has been served, refuse to disseminate it outside of Apple and make clear to the world that it does not apply to other devices or users without lawful court orders," the Justice Department told Judge Sheri Pym. "No one outside Apple would have access to the software required by the order unless Apple itself chose to share it.""
""Although the judge instructed Apple to create the software for the FBI, she said it could be loaded onto the phone at an Apple facility. The Justice Department made explicit Friday that Apple could retain custody of the software at all times.""
When judging Apple here, you need to go back a year or perhaps 2 or 3 years ago when Apple announced it was encrypting its iPhones as a result of the Snowden report on warrantless spying by the government. At that time, the spooks were upset with the plans and there was even talk of legislation to force companies to put in back doors so the government could bypass when needed.
This Judge's initial order was in line with what the government ultimately wants....a back door to bypass security at any time.
Fortunately Apple resisted and now the admin says they just want Apple to brute force the phone at an Apple facility and then it can destroy the software.
I'm still skeptical because the government has an end game always, but this appears to be a good compromise.
Btw, Apple gave the government all the data from the phones cloud storage, so it's not as though they're being unreasonable.
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02-20-2016, 11:39 AM
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Re: Sen. Ted Cruz Makes It Official
A huge problem here.
If Apple can actually create this software, then others will know that it is possible to do.
I can see a bunch of cryptohackers getting together and creating their own version of this software and selling it in the dark net.
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02-20-2016, 09:34 PM
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Re: Sen. Ted Cruz Makes It Official
I'm gonna make the assumption that Pressing On and n david are posting from the same keyboard.
Ted Cruz will not win the Republican nomination. He is an unlikable weasel.
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02-21-2016, 12:30 AM
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I'm gonna make the assumption that Pressing On and n david are posting from the same keyboard.
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Nope. Though I post 99% of the time from my phone. I am not PO, nor have I had the privilege to meet her.
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