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07-26-2008, 09:53 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
All the trinitarians I know acknowledge Jesus Christ as Lord and God. They acknowledge Him as God manifested in the flesh. Wonder what that makes them?
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07-26-2008, 09:55 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Remember, we are dealing with the premise that the Jesus that the trinitarian doctrine church believes in is not the Jesus we believe in. If this premise is so, why then do we have signs and wonders, miracles and supernatural tendencies occurring that are causing people to give glory to Jesus in their services and lives?
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No, you are dealing with that premise, and painting with a big bad bill brush.
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07-26-2008, 09:56 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Give me a break CC,
Water Baptism is a "Principle doctrine". It is 1st grade material. Every "christian" faith believes this. They may not say it will save you, but I don't know any that reject it, or that would not expect a new believer to be baptized. But the one steppers here accept folks that have "been in the bright shining way" for 40 years as saved, yet in those 40 years the Holy Ghost has not seen fit to lead these folks into a new convert truth???
I am not even discussing the merits or lack of merits concerning baptism being salvational. What I am saying is that the onesteppers here on AFF give the excuse that some do not see Jesus name baptism. But that means that the Holy Ghost did not do its job in leading these folks into all truth.
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I don't believe the one stepper exUPC churches emphasize Jesus Name baptism enough. Not like the so called PCIers of old in the UPC did.
It is as if since they don't see baptism as a prerequisite to salvation they no longer emphasize the correct biblical method when it is done.
In the case of my church we only baptize in Jesus name but it is not emphasized enough in my opinion.
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Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-26-2008, 09:56 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Evangelist Benincasa, may I ask what then you attribute the verifiable miracles and moves of the Spirit within trinity churches, since they are not of Christ in your opinion? How do these miracles occur, since these people are none of His? I am not speaking of Bentley or Hinn, but other verified miracles which have taken place in trinitarian Pentecostal churches?
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Like I told someone on another thread, God will respond anywhere people have faith in Him. His presence anywhere does not mean He endorses what is preached there.
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07-26-2008, 09:56 PM
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Holy Unto The Lord
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Give me a break CC,
Water Baptism is a "Principle doctrine". It is 1st grade material. Every "christian" faith believes this. They may not say it will save you, but I don't know any that reject it, or that would not expect a new believer to be baptized. But the one steppers here accept folks that have "been in the bright shining way" for 40 years as saved, yet in those 40 years the Holy Ghost has not seen fit to lead these folks into a new convert truth???
I am not even discussing the merits or lack of merits concerning baptism being salvational. What I am saying is that the onesteppers here on AFF give the excuse that some do not see Jesus name baptism. But that means that the Holy Ghost did not do its job in leading these folks into all truth.
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StMatthew, I do believe that water baptism testifies to our salvation. But to make one think that they must be baptized to be saved takes grace out of the equation. This is why some do not see water baptism as some Apostolics do. They read such verses as 1Peter 3:21 which lines out that water baptism saves or delivers by giving the answer of a good conscience towards God, and removes all inward doubts and disputes.
Not everyone is going to believe in a works based salvation. I do not. Some people cannot be baptized, and some are baptized as a testimony to their faith, and I will not kick God off of His throne to tell people who is right and who is wrong when it comes to the salvational efficacy of water baptism.
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07-26-2008, 09:57 PM
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Holy Unto The Lord
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by Rico
Like I told someone on another thread, God will respond anywhere people have faith in Him. His presence anywhere does not mean He endorses what is preached there.
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So then, God can dwell with Belial then?
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07-26-2008, 09:57 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
It just is no longer worth the effort. Honestly, I think if it came down to it this would be the answer that most Cons that left would give you all. It just ain't worth the fight to defend apostolic doctrine on a forum that is for apostolics.
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07-26-2008, 09:58 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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No, you are dealing with that premise, and painting with a big bad bill brush.
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Of ever changing colors?
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07-26-2008, 09:59 PM
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Holy Unto The Lord
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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No, you are dealing with that premise, and painting with a big bad bill brush.
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StMatthew, I have seen it first hand. So, in this, I know what I speak of. So, instead of dancing my friend, just answer the question. If faith is what causes these people to see the miraculous, why does God honor their faith in the so-called false Jesus?
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07-26-2008, 09:59 PM
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Re: The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
It just is no longer worth the effort. Honestly, I think if it came down to it this would be the answer that most Cons that left would give you all. It just ain't worth the fight to defend apostolic doctrine on a forum that is for apostolics.
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Not worth it huh? Hmmmmmmm..........................
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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