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07-22-2007, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Oh, is that so? DM, so if I would follow your understanding of the Greek, no one can have eternal, perpetual, everlasting, for ever and ever life?
Mat 25:46
"And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life ETERNAL."
DM, the Greek word "aionios" is used by the writer of Matthew to explain the time frame on how long the punishment of the wicked, and the life of the righteous will continue. With an understanding of the Greek word "aionios" and how its used in a sentence will show beyond the shadow of doubt that the use of the words ETERNAL, EVERLASTING, EVERMORE, FOR EVER AND EVER are correct English words.
Romans 16:26 uses the Greek word "aionios" for EVERLASTING GOD.
Did the first century Greeks use the description of age-long God, or eternal, everlasting God? DM, please do some further research in the use of the word "aionios" in the New Testament. You are correct when you say that "aionios" means "age-long" but it also means an unknown period of time. It all has to do with how it is used in a sentence.
Could you answer me please, why is the word "aionios" used in a Greek funeral to speak of the soul of the departed?
Thank you
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07-22-2007, 11:16 PM
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What do they say exactly at a Greek funeral ?
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07-22-2007, 11:23 PM
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No eternal hell, huh? Boy won't Jonathan Edwards be surprised and Hitler will be happy.
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Hello, Bro. Dave long time no see, what you up to? Yes, JE will likely be surprised, now Hitler will know what it really takes to create the perfect race. The refiners fire will do the job completely, and I assure you there will be no assonance or pride left in him.
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07-22-2007, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
What do they say exactly at a Greek funeral ?
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In the funeral sacrament the priest speaks over the departed, makes mention of the ETERNAL SOUL. My question is if the Greek word "aionios" only means "age-long" then why use it concerning the soul at a funeral.
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07-22-2007, 11:30 PM
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Hello, Bro. Dave long time no see, what you up to? Yes, JE will likely be surprised, now Hitler will know what it really takes to create the perfect race. The refiners fire will do the job completely, and I assure you there will be no assonance or pride left in him.
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I think we have gone through this before, can you please show using chapter and verse your teaching that souls go to some purification treatment before entering into heaven. I would like to discuss this issue with you. Maybe we can see how you formulate this teaching in light of scripture.
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Brother Benincasa
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07-22-2007, 11:33 PM
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Maybe this is incorrect but doesn't one have to be in Christ to have immortality ?
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07-23-2007, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Prax,
Again, you ignore the scriptures that I present and continue on your rant. I don't care if you call my words logical fallacy or emotive, I simply disagree with you exegesis.
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Again I ignore YOUR scriptures?!?! lol...I have posted many many scriptures and you have yet to address them. I made a whole page on the topic of punishment without punitiveness...which seems like an oxymoron, and you didn't address a single verse then you come back and tell me this? 
BTW you don't simply disagree with me "exegesis"...you never explain HOW my exegesis is wrong...how I am grammatically incorrect in what I said.
Now, if you want me to address your verses, don't you think you should do the same?
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07-23-2007, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
I think we have gone through this before, can you please show using chapter and verse your teaching that souls go to some purification treatment before entering into heaven. I would like to discuss this issue with you. Maybe we can see how you formulate this teaching in light of scripture.
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Bro, I don't start with that conclusion, I start with the scriptural support that Jesus' one act of righteousness reconciles the same folks that Adam's sin condemned. My post #1226 lays out the basics of this premise, I will flesh out what you are asking in the next day or two. We have gone over some of this before, but maybe more discussion can shed more understanding.
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07-23-2007, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by crakjak
Bro, I don't start with that conclusion, I start with the scriptural support that Jesus' one act of righteousness reconciles the same folks that Adam's sin condemned. My post #1226 lays out the basics of this premise, I will flesh out what you are asking in the next day or two. We have gone over some of this before, but maybe more discussion can shed more understanding.
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Correction, that is post #88, of this thread, sorry!
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07-23-2007, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
The 2 key words here are "Everlasting" and "Eternal" They both are the same greek word and are used to describe both the timeframe of the final state of the saint and sinner alike:
aionios (ī-ō'-nē-os)
1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting
This is very simple, either the sinners shall go into punishment that "Everlasting" (without end), or the saints "eternal" life shall have an ending place.
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
A more accurate translation of aionios is "age-long". Hell is everlasting in that it is continuous suffering not eternal suffering. Rev. 20:14 clearly states that death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. v10 says the lake of fire is forever and ever. Nowhere can you find where hell is eternal, only age-long. |
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
Then you must also believe that those that resurrect and are changed to immortality will only life for only "Age-long", as the same word (aionios) to describe the timeframe that the righteous will live on in, and the timeframe that the sinners will be punished in.
I don't believe that the bible can be any clearer than this. The righteous will live forever (Eternal [aionios] life), and the unrighteous shall be punished forever (everlasting [aionios] punishment). If the punishment is not thoughout all eternity for the sinner, then the life is not either for the saint.
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