Why Do You Believe Jesus is God?

[Walks_in_islam]

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on HIS glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, "Come, you who are blessed by my Father Separate entities - Matthew. If they are the same shouldn't it say "blessed by ME"?

"The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, JUST AS they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him… And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man." Separate entities - John If they are the same, how does right of judgement be "given" from one to another?

"But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. And he said, ‘Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.’" - separate entities - Acts Well this doesn't need any further editorial does it

"Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Separate entities - Philippians If they are the same, why not to His glory, instead of to the glory of God the Father?

"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him." Separate entities - Peter Right hand of God? Why not occupying the throne of God?

"And the angel said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David" Separate entities - Luke Same throne he gave to Solomon?

NOTE: A throne does NOT MAKE YOU GOD - Chronicles

"Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king in place of David his father. And he prospered, and all Israel obeyed him."

"Blessed be the LORD your God, who has delighted in you and set you on his throne as king for the LORD your God"

"The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on MY throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." - separate entities - Revelations (seems that thrones are thrown around a lot in Revelations - there is one for everyone who serves God, 24 for elders, one for Jesus, one for God himself)

"The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father. And I will give him the morning star." - separate entities - Revelations If they are the same why receive authority from His father to grant to others, why not just grant authority in His own right?

"and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever - separate entities - Revelations Priests to HIS God and Father? Why not say "Priests to Him"? Does God have a God?

Call out the scholars. There are lots, and lots, and lots more of these examples. I'm just tired of typing them in.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I have answered it.

No you have not.

You have not answered me why Alpha and Omega is the Almighty as well as the one who died and is alive again.

I guess you can't.

So see ya later.

[Sabby]

Isaiah 9:6 was fulfilled in Beth-lehem. The Word (which was and is God) was (incarnate) made flesh. This forum is not a bully pulpit for non-believers.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This verse alone explains Christ's dual nature. That is unless you have a superior version, one that is literal (sc). If you don't believe in the incarnation and spend time on this forum arguing over the deity of Christ, this, coming from a decidedly biased Islamist opinion, you are wasting your time.

Mike Blume asked a simple question. How many Almightys are there? Instead of cutting and pasting your talking points just answer the question
How many are there? Why is Jesus called the Almghty? Why is he prophesied in Isaiah as a son and as a father? ] He had a dual nature.
The Word of God Himself dwelt within the body of a human in Beth-lehem. It resulted in God being manifested -revealed - in the flesh. It is very clear.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

In answer to the Thread question: Because the Bible declares it to be so.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Sabby

Isaiah 9:6 was fulfilled in Beth-lehem. The Word (which was and is God) was (incarnate) made flesh. This forum is not a bully pulpit for non-believers.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This verse alone explains Christ's dual nature. That is unless you have a superior version, one that is literal (sc). If you don't believe in the incarnation and spend time on this forum arguing over the deity of Christ, this, coming from a decidedly biased Islamist opinion, you are wasting your time.

Mike Blume asked a simple question. How many Almightys are there? Instead of cutting and pasting your talking points just answer the question
How many are there? Why is Jesus called the Almghty? Why is he prophesied in Isaiah as a son and as a father? ] He had a dual nature.
The Word of God Himself dwelt within the body of a human in Beth-lehem. It resulted in God being manifested -revealed - in the flesh. It is very clear.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16

In answer to the Thread question: Because the Bible declares it to be so.

This is rich.

10. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

Fulfilled? Peace for which there shall be no end? Which time period since the time of Isaiah has this happened?

Back to Rev 1.

Grace to you, and peace, from Him who is, and who was, and who is coming, and from the Seven Spirits that are before His throne, (that is God)

5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the first-born out of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth; to him who did love us, and did bathe us from our sins in his blood, (that is Jesus)

6 and did make us kings and priests to his God and Father (that is deference to God, as Jesus prayed to and deferred to God in His own ministry)

The two are separate.

Isaiah 9 'fulfilled'? You must be numb. Peace indeed.

What really happened: The followers of the christian faith engaged in wanton, unlimited persecution and bloodshed for centuries that only ended with the establishment of governments based on the fundamental principal that those followers of christian religion were prohibited from application of the practice of their beliefs in government. The first amendment was not written to protect the christian faith, it was written to protect society from those who practice it and the pilgrims who arrived at our shores were not escaping poverty, they were escaping religious persecution by those who practice Christianity.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No you have not.

You have not answered me why Alpha and Omega is the Almighty as well as the one who died and is alive again.

I guess you can't.

So see ya later.

Bye

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No you have not.

So see ya later.

Sure I have. My answer was and is and will always be that this does not mean what you say it means because it is in conflict with literally dozens of passages that clearly say something different.

The issue here is that you can't sidestep that answer, so you're leaving.

This forum is not a bully pulpit for non-believers.

If any of you feel bullied by specific, unchanged passages from your own book then the problem here is not me

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

No you have not.

You have not answered me why Alpha and Omega is the Almighty as well as the one who died and is alive again.

I guess you can't.

So see ya later.

Hebrews: This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

Genesis: Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High.

mmmmmmk......to be a priest you have to defer to SOMEBODY right? Otherwise Melchizedek would be priest to.....Jesus BUT Jesus would be a priest to? El Elyon - that's the God of Melchizedek

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Hebrews: This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

Genesis: Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High.

mmmmmmk......to be a priest you have to defer to SOMEBODY right? Otherwise Melchizedek would be priest to.....Jesus BUT Jesus would be a priest to? El Elyon - that's the God of Melchizedek

Was Melchizedek a "pagan priest" ...what is your take on this?.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Sean

Was Melchizedek a "pagan priest" ...what is your take on this?.

Pagan? No. He was a priest to God.

I wish to know how Jesus is a priest and is also God but I believe the troops have scattered.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Isaiah 9 'fulfilled'? You must be numb. Peace indeed.

The "peace" being referred to is His Spirit/Comforter which was promised under the New Covenant. The Spirit is likened to a "dove", which is a symbol of "peace".

"Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." John 14:27

They didn't quite understand Him while He was alive, but understood more after His death.

When Jesus speaks, you must search out why He says what He says. For instance, in John 14:1, Jesus says, "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me."

He isn't making a division here because, in verse 9 He is responding to Phillip, "...he that has seen/clearly discerned me, has seen/clearly discerned the father...

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

If they didn't quite understand Isaiah 9:6, they would later on the Day of Pentecost.

Jesus says in John 14:16, "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter..."

Again, no division here as we read John 15:26, "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you..."

He is our peace, our Comforter/Advocate/Counselor, our Father, our God, our Saviour.

If He "hung the earth upon nothing" Job 26:7, why would it be hard to understand that He can be all in all?