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rawooddell · #91 08-01-2010, 08:20 PM

[QUOTE=pastorrick1959;946111][QUOTE=rawooddell;946085]

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Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

You are correct that no man has ever seen God our Father at anytime. He continues to be Spirit. That same one only God also assumed a human nature to Himself, thereby creating an existance as a man. By vitrue of this being the same God, and by virtue of the fact that there are not persons in the Godhead, then our God was both Father and Son respectively.IF THE fahter is god and we both believe that and then turned into the son if only part of him did and the son was god ,, he was seen ,,

The problem is not that Jesus is God my friend, the problem is that IF he is not God, then who is he? And further if he is god but not God then we should not serve him, neither as Messiah or King or any other type of worship as the Word of God clearly teaches that we are to have no other Gods before us. If Jesus is not God, and I believe that He is, then he is a false prophet and Messiah and should be rejected as such. If Jesus is not the same God who also is the Father in another manifestation then we much by conscience demands reject him as false, and his death as not worthy to obtain salvation for our sins, and we are yet in our sins and have no hope. For just a good man cannot have done for us what the blood of Jesus did. The promise was give to none other than Jesus himself, and the glory was given to none other than Jesus, and God states in his Word that He will give his glory to no other. WHO IS HE ,, the only begotten of the father full of grace and truth ,, trhe lamb without spot ,, the perfect sacrifice ,, my big brother ,, the pattern son,, WE ARE HEIRS of god ,, joint heirs with JESUS CHRIST. there is a difference,. however i do believe that gods name is JESUS

My point, Brother, was that the scripture you were quoting is not contextually quoted with this discussion. And if you are going to allow this text to be used in relation to eternity past, present, and future, then you are going to stand in contrast to Jesus himself.

Here's the story:

Jesus told a man that his sins were forgiven, to stand up, pick up his bed, and go his way home. Jesus' enemies stated that Jesus was in violation of Gods Word in that no one can forgive sins but God alone. Jesus simply told the man he was healed to get up and take his bed home. He did so, and the stated the reason that he do so was to prove that He, the son of man, had the power to forgive sins.he always did the works of god ,, i have prayed for many getting miracles and casting out devils ,, i am not god , but one with god ,,

You state that Jesus never claimed to be God, but you surely have not read this story. Jesus did not claim to be God, but rather proved it to be so

dear sir i have been preaching since 1981 have 10 yrs of pastorship under my belt ,have traveled all over evangelising ,, there aint a scripture i have misssed ..JESU THE SON OF GOD IS the mediator between god and man ,, hopefully you have not missed that one..

I am trying not to offend anyone on this forum. I am not questioning your ministry. However Brother as a Pastor myself, I will say that you seem a little too thin skinned. I will bow out of this discussion.

Blessings,

R A Wooddell

pastorrick1959 · #92 08-01-2010, 09:54 PM

not sure why you say that lol. i aint mad at ya or nothing just discussing .. we justs see it different.. i wish ya the best ,, we had some church tonight ,folks slayed in the floor danceing all over the place ... i love it!

mfblume · #93 08-02-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rawooddell

Saying that God cannot be a man and still be God at the same time in two existances or perviews is like saying that God cannot be Omnipresent and in a single place at the same time. This is simply not true. God has the ability to be both the continual existance as the Father and also assume a human existance to be the Lamb of God. He is both without there being two Gods. Or else you are dividing the substance.

I disagree. DEITY is contrasted with HUMANITY. And God's single PERSON manifested as both at the same time. As per His humanity, He was not omnipresent. As per His deity He is omnipresent.

Saying God is not a man is saying DEITY IS NOT HUMANITY. Common mistake among many oneness people.

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Second point, Numbers 23:19 was written at a time when God was not a man.

DEITY was never HUMANITY. You are thinking in terms of His person and mistakenly thinking that is saying GOD WAS A MAN. The Greek terms bring it out more clear. GOD is THEOS and MAN is ANTHROPOS.

1Ti 2:5 KJV For there is one God (THEOS), and one mediator between God (THEOS)and men (ANTHROPOS), the man (ANTHROPOS) Christ Jesus;

Your view cannot hold in that verse. THEOS is distinguished from ANTHROPOS. That means God is not a man.

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, That was future. Not to mention I believe that scripture states that God is not a man that He should lie. The Lord was saying that man in his unregenerated sinful state is by nature a liar. While God in his eternity, justice, righteousness, and holiness is a faithful witness. You would be using this scripture out of context if you used it to defend your position. In my opinion.

Maybe so, I agree. Good point. But the above passage in Timothy shows God is contrasted from MAN. I think what you believe is correct, but to say God is a man is not stating proper truth in English.

watchman · #94 08-02-2010, 11:36 AM

The bible says Jesus was God. So all of you all philosophying really amount to nothing.

Colossians 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

mfblume · #95 08-02-2010, 11:55 AM

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The bible says Jesus was God. So all of you all philosophying really amount to nothing.

Colossians 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

It is far from nothing. It is far from philosophizing, too. it is standing on what the bible said. GOD is used as a term to contrast from MAN. And it means DEITY is not HUMANITY.

watchman · #96 08-02-2010, 01:29 PM

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It is far from nothing. It is far from philosophizing, too. it is standing on what the bible said. GOD is used as a term to contrast from MAN. And it means DEITY is not HUMANITY.

If you deny the deity of Christ them you are doing anything but standing on what the bible says.

mfblume · #97 08-02-2010, 01:43 PM

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If you deny the deity of Christ them you are doing anything but standing on what the bible says.

I agree.

pastorrick1959 · #98 08-02-2010, 05:26 PM

[QUOTE=watchman;946424]If you deny the deity of Christ them you are doing anything but standing on what the bible says
lets see ..

mt. 16- JESUS asked peter who do men say that i trhe son of man am? peter said thoa art the GOD .. OOPS NO .. THOU ART THE CHRIST . the son of the living god .. he got rewarded for that revelation ..

mt . 14- the disciples said of a truth thou art the SON OF GOD ..
luke 1-angels said the baby would be called the son of god .
JOHN 9;JESUS -asked a man do you believ on the son of god . he aske dwho is it that i may belive on him. JESUS said i am he.
2 JOHN VRS 3-STATES THE SON OF THE FATHER.

john 20 jesus said i ascend to my god and your god>> ?? how many gods are they? 2 - 3 - 100? you tell me .. i just believe in one ..
john 13-3= JESUS knowing that the father had given all things into his hands ,and that he was come from GOD ,and went to god ...
ALOT OF EXPLAINING TO DO RIGHT THERE LOL.

1 cor. 15;28=the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him , that GOD maybe all in all. ..

JESUS was tempted by the devil ,yet god cannot be tempted
god is a spirit but JESUS SAID a spirit hath not flesh and bones as ye see me have.
ro. stated god sending his own son in likeness of sinful flesh .
he was the LAMB OF GOD
THE SON OF GOD ..

he wa the imAge on the invisible god ..

1 JOHN 5- WHO IS HE THAT OVERCOMETHER THE WORLD , but he that believeth that JESUS is the SON OF GOD ......

so i guesss to be saved you got to belive JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD.

rawooddell · #99 08-02-2010, 08:57 PM

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I disagree. DEITY is contrasted with HUMANITY. And God's single PERSON manifested as both at the same time. As per His humanity, He was not omnipresent. As per His deity He is omnipresent.

I thought that was what I said. What did you disagree with?

faithit166 · #**100** 08-02-2010, 09:18 PM

John 14;8 phillip said unto him lord show us the father,and it sifficeth us.9 jesus said unto him have i been so long time with you,and yet hast thou not known me he that hath seen me hath seen the father,and how sayest thou then show us the father. luke 10;22 all things are delivered to me of my father and no man knoweth who the son is but the father and who the father is but the son and he to whom the son will reveal him,lord i thank you for revelation,even paul didnt know who jesus was until his way to damascus who art thou lord,he most definetely knew the lord was speaking to him,i am jesus the lord said paul recieved a revelation that day,he is the only one who can reveal it unto anyone he told me that one day god bless