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Old 11-21-2010, 08:11 AM
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Re: I'm being bewitched.

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Since so many of y'all good church folk seem to believe that the Bible is in
error in the wording of Exodus 7 and 8, here are a few more items.

2 Chronicles 33

5 And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the
house of the LORD.

6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the
son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used
witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought
much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Micah 5

11 And I will cut off the cities of thy land, and throw down all thy strong
holds:

12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no
more soothsayers:



I bolded the practice that one of you keeps enouraging me to engage in again.

Galatians 5

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery,
fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife,
seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I
tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such
things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.



Deuteronomy 18

9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his
daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of
times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a
necromancer.

Oh, and just for you, Pel:
Originally Posted by pelathais View Post
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There are spirits and Almighty God Himself is not deaf to the cries of His people. But by definition, this is outside the realm of "magick." +++++


++++Originally Posted by Flutecrafter View Post
LOL
Where do you think the power which drives magik actually comes from?
(hint: no I'm not talking about God here either, before you take it there.)****



Acts 16

16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed
with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by
soothsaying:

17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the
servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to
the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.
And he came out the same hour.

19 And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they
caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,
if only someone would address the questions actually asked... so how about it,can u point me to a person that can turn ANYTHING inanimate into SOMETHING animate?
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Old 11-21-2010, 08:23 AM
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Without Exodus 7 what other prooftext can be used to support magick being real?
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if only someone would address the questions actually asked...
addressed.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...135#post991135

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Old 11-21-2010, 08:26 AM
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so how about it,can u point me to a person that can turn ANYTHING inanimate into SOMETHING animate?
I refer you to the sciptures. Exodus 7 and Exodus 8.
If you choose not to believe them, that is between you and God.
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Old 11-21-2010, 08:32 AM
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I refer you to the sciptures. Exodus 7 and Exodus 8.
If you choose not to believe them, that is between you and God.
LOL. since u either can't offer evdence or a straight answer then i suppose my question is done answered. there isnt anyone who an do such a thing... how suprising.
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Old 11-21-2010, 12:57 PM
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I wonder why these guys aren't doing their big tricks in public? How come we only get illusions like David Blane and Cris Angel? Where are the Youtubes of someone moving objects or changing sticks into snakes?
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So Moses wrote in the third person about Himself? I dont doubt Moses "authored" a lot of the Pentateuch, but he did not write it all. Someone like Moses and other prophets had scribes that wrote stuff or collected writtings into one "book"
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So Moses wrote in the third person about Himself? I dont doubt Moses "authored" a lot of the Pentateuch, but he did not write it all. Someone like Moses and other prophets had scribes that wrote stuff or collected writtings into one "book"
Can you provide me with sources? I'd like to read from the opposing viewpoint, but sorry Prax...you don't quite count as scholarly review. Interesting point, however.
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I wonder why these guys aren't doing their big tricks in public? How come we only get illusions like David Blane and Cris Angel? Where are the Youtubes of someone moving objects or changing sticks into snakes?
Because witchcraft is intensely personal...is why I wouldn't have shown anyone what I could do. Even with something like tarot that was helping someone else, I didn't read as often as I had opportunity to because I hated "showcasing" a talent like that.

Y'all can be upset Flutecrafter hasn't given details, but I get why someone wouldn't. I don't...I don't talk to Flutecrafter about what I did, and he's as close to a mentor as I have and I kind of live in his house right now. The times it does come up, he gets me way too well and it kind of freaks me out. If I'm not comfortable talking about all of this with someone who gets it, there's no way I'd be comfortable talking about it with someone who doesn't get it.*

*Not at all intending to speak for him, he can hold his own just fine. Just using him as an example in this case.
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Because witchcraft is intensely personal...is why I wouldn't have shown anyone what I could do. Even with something like tarot that was helping someone else, I didn't read as often as I had opportunity to because I hated "showcasing" a talent like that.

Y'all can be upset Flutecrafter hasn't given details, but I get why someone wouldn't. I don't...I don't talk to Flutecrafter about what I did, and he's as close to a mentor as I have and I kind of live in his house right now. The times it does come up, he gets me way too well and it kind of freaks me out. If I'm not comfortable talking about all of this with someone who gets it, there's no way I'd be comfortable talking about it with someone who doesn't get it.*

*Not at all intending to speak for him, he can hold his own just fine. Just using him as an example in this case.
Why would you call something like that a "talent"?
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Why would you call something like that a "talent"?
Talent: a special natural ability or aptitude.

Seems to fit.
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