Actually, I wouldnt say I am mortified...It's a sign of the times. But as a technical point, this wasnt in public. This was in the privacy of the friend's home. 1 Married woman and 1 married man...married to someone else...apparently with neither spouse nor any other 3rd party present. Adultery? Absolutely not, but surely you wouldn't argue that there was absolutely nothing improper about it. Would you be poolside in a bikini with a married man when no one else is present?
Bear in mind, this in no way excuses the pastor. As I see it, he is equally sinful for justifying an unscriptural divorce as the woman in the bikini.
It may, and I have considered this. But I dont see how it would, considering the fact that I am standing up for UPC edict against deliberate misinterpretation. What will definately present a much larger problem is the fact that I am divorced. But in my case she was in her third trimester before she filed for divorce {EDIT} and of course the child isnt mine {/EDIT}, and I havent remarried, so I should be in the clear on that point.
And yet, if it does present a problem for the UPC, apparently it doesnt present a problem for God, as the call and annointing of God on my life to preach His word is as strong as ever.
There is no specifics on whether the pool was public or not. There was also no specifics on whether or not she was alone with the other man. The simple fact is that no one here can show where she did any wrong in relation to her marriage (other than possibly wearing a bikini). We can speculate all day and night about whether she might have done more wrong than wearing a bikini, but the bottom line is that is all we know she did and we can't even agree that her wearing a bikini was wrong in relation to her marriage.
Whether the bikini is actually modest or not has no place in the discussion of whether her wearing it was wrong in relation to her marriage. Many here want to say that she should have just not worn the bikini to make her husband happy (assuming he didn't want her to wear one which I believe is a fair assumption). But I want to ask, women have you ever done something that your husband didn't want you to do? And men how many of your wives have ever done something that you didn't want them to do? If my hunch is correct then I imagine this has happened in every one of yalls marriages. So how can yall judge her for not doing what her husband wanted?
Now, in relation to the pastor, he definetely did do wrong. I've not seen one person here argue that he is innocent. Instead some have tried to turn this back onto the woman with wild speculation. But all we have is wild speculation and that sort of thing is not enough to pass judgment on anyone.
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Frog, I think that post makes the most sense of any I have read in this thread!
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I am surprised that no one has mentioned the ex-husband, that is marrying the pastor's daughter, and what seems to be a very short courtship.
Could there have been hanky-panky going on ahead of time and the bikini simply became a means to an end? (Not a good choice of words, I guess!!! lol)
Supposing that is not that far out in comparison to all of the other supposing that has gone on in this thread.
Let's "make up" another scenario. The ex-husband has an eye for the pastor's daughter. Remarriage is only allowed in the case of fornication. The husband spots his wife at a friend's home in a bikini, where the friends husband has simply walked into the picture. The stage is set.
Being a good friend of the pastor's the husband & pastor decide that what she has done is fornication. That way the husband can divorce and marry the pastor's daughter. The pastor goes along with this for his daughter. (It has been done before!)
Probably didn't happen that way. But there is as much proof of this as some of the other unsupported things that have been assumed.
Have you heard what to "assume" does for you? I can't tell you, an admin might get me. Just divide up the word "assume!" It makes something of "u & me!"
Just saying.... and boy what fun to figure all this out!
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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There is no specifics on whether the pool was public or not...
I thought the article mentioned the pool was at the home of the mutual friend. After re-reading the article, you are correct. It isnt specified.
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...There was also no specifics on whether or not she was alone with the other man.
True, but in every post which I address this aspect of the story, I use the phrase "apparently" or something to the affect, therefore admitting it is speculation.
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...we can't even agree that her wearing a bikini was wrong in relation to her marriage.
That's what makes discussion interesting. How long would a discussion last if the only response were 121 versions of "Yeah. That's right. Me too."?
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...Instead some have tried to turn this back onto the woman...
I hope you havent included me in this "some". I mention my position on her actions, but I try to make it clear that I am more focused on the pastor's actions.
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...But all we have is wild speculation and that sort of thing is not enough to pass judgment on anyone.
Speculation? Yes. Wild? I don't think I've made any rediculous leaps with my conclusions. I think each assumption I admittedly make is reasonable to make with the facts presented. I also thought I made it clear my opinion is subject to change if more facts were forthcoming.
And yet, all of the above circumvents my main reason for posting. My main point is the fact that the unanimous agreement that the pastor was wrong in his actions isn't exactly what one would expect from those of us who are portrayed as brainwashed and cultish for being affiliated with the UPCI. Perhaps those here who scorn the UPC and all it's loyal members need to re-evaluate the size of their brush.
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I am surprised that no one has mentioned the ex-husband, that is marrying the pastor's daughter, and what seems to be a very short courtship....
Actually that possibility has been mentioned, and fairly early in the thread. Where have you been?
Right! what we really like is a good sense of humor...
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HAHAHHA! Yeah right....
Well I was serious... Now you got me thinking I was just trying to convince myself!
Seriously, wouldn't ANY guys out there agree they find a smartly dressed female... (perhaps in red spike heels LOL!) as alluring as her mostly undressed peers?
PS I don't just mean seductive, but attractive in general.
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Quote: Originally Posted by BeenThinkin I am surprised that no one has mentioned the ex-husband, that is marrying the pastor's daughter, and what seems to be a very short courtship....
Quote OilCityCajun Actually that possibility has been mentioned, and fairly early in the thread. Where have you been?[/QUOTE]
BeenThinkin I guess it was so many post back I had forgotten! But I'm safe I think in saying it wasn't mentioned much. She's been taken to task over and over, and he's just been causally mentioned!
Why?
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Well I was serious... Now you got me thinking I was just trying to convince myself!
Seriously, wouldn't ANY guys out there agree they find a smartly dressed female... (perhaps in red spike heels LOL!) as alluring as her mostly undressed peers?
PS I don't just mean seductive, but attractive in general.
Oh yes.
OK, she doesn't have red spiked heals but she DOES have a sword. And enough hair to ward off any number of demons and foul spirits.
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