UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Theocracy is great...as long as I am the one who determines what God says.

See Salem in New England ... Angela would have been roasted ... by the those who accept innuendo as evidence.
Sadly enough we have posters here who would applaud it.

[OilCityCajun]

Ok, I have refrained from posting, but since there sems to be a certain anti-UPCI bent to many of these posts from certain corners, I feel the need to post the view of 1 UPC preacher-pending(TM). But first, allow me to post my cedentials and/or lack thereof.

1. Every church of which I have been a member in my entire life - with the exception of 1; An Independant Apostolic church with even more strict holiness standards than the average UPC - beginning from soon after I was born, has been either a UPCI member church or an affiliated independant.
2. I have felt the call to preach since I was 14.
3. I have delivered a small number of sermons at the church in which I was raised
4. For many reasons which I preferr not to discuss, I have never pursued a UPC license until just recently.

My stance on holiness teaching is that modesty is essential, and it is the authority of the pastor to define modesty. It is the duty of the congregant to either obey, or find a pastor who has a different definition of modesty; as remaining a congregant of a specific church while not aligning to the standards preaced in that church is an act of rebellion, and this - the rebellion, not the 'lower' standards - is sin.

Having said that, it appears, from the details in the story, the following is true:
1)The pastor violated the law
2)The pastor did not bridle his tongue
3)The pastor did not excercise wisdom or sound judgement
4)The pastor deliberately stretched the definition of aldultry in order to justify a divorce and subsequent relationship which violate the Bible and UPCI edict.
5)On any one point above, one would be within ones right to question whether this pastor is indeed, at this time, following Christ and therefore is to be followed
6)With all 4 points above being true, it is, in my opinion, the duty of all involved to question this man's qualifications to remain a pastor. If the board wont question it, then each individual member must decide if they wish, by remaining a member, to be implicitly agreeing with these practices.

and that's my $0.02 on the matter.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Quote from comment section:

Just want to speak my view, like it or not. You know, Angela Driver was an adult. She knows the views of the Pentecostal Church and has known their views for many years. She decided on her own accord, as an adult to attend that church and to participate in the activities within that assembly, as well as with her ex-husband. I know Angela, she is not a happy person. None of this will ever change that, it is inside and she will see that some day. She has a lot of potential but can't seem to give up her own ideas about some things. And I don't care who you are, at some point you don't get your way. That's life. You have to have moral commitments and have to nail some things down. She needs to do that. Her life will never be peace until she does. If she didn't want to hear it she should not have come to the church. The church is called to identify sins. No, I don't think we need to outwardly bash someone when they have made a mistake and especially when it is to promote our personal agenda (I don't know if that was done or not) but the fact remains that Angela knew what the church practiced. She knew her behavior was not condoned by the church she attended. She knew and she continued to attend. I have walked in the very same shoes as Angela with the exception of the lawsuit. I know my behavior was wrong. I didn't see at the time. On behalf of the suffering and pain Angela had, vengance is MINE saith the Lord. Not - take it into your own hands with a lawyer.

Read more: http://www.macon.com/2010/07/07/1187...#ixzz0tZm07Lyi

Oh, no, she had her own ideas about some things!!!

[DAII]

Originally Posted by OilCityCajun

Ok, I have refrained from posting, but since there sems to be a certain anti-UPCI bent to many of these posts from certain corners, I feel the need to post the view of 1 UPC preacher-pending(TM). But first, allow me to post my cedentials and/or lack thereof.

1. Every church of which I have been a member in my entire life, beginning from soon after I was born, has been either a UPCI member church or an affiliated independant.
2. I have felt the call to preach since I was 14.
3. I have delivered a small number of sermons at the church in which I was raised
4. For many reasons which I preferr not to discuss, I have never pursued a UPC license until just recently.

My stance on holiness teaching is that modesty is essential, and it is the authority of the pastor to define modesty. It is the duty of the congregant to either obey, or find a pastor who has a different definition of modesty; as remaining a congregant of a specific church while not aligning to the standards preaced in that church is an act of rebellion, and this - the rebellion, not the 'lower' standards - is sin.

Having said that, it appears, from the details in the story, the following is true:
1)The pastor violated the law
2)The pastor did not bridle his tongue
3)The pastor did not excercise wisdom or sound judgement
4)The pastor deliberately stretched the definition of aldultry in order to justify a divorce and subsequent relationship which violate the Bible and UPCI edict.
5)On any one point above, one would be within ones right to question whether this pastor is indeed, at this time, following Christ and therefore is to be followed
6)With all 4 points above being true, it is, in my opinion, the duty of all involved to question this man's qualifications to remain a pastor. If the board wont question it, then each individual member must decide if they wish, by remaining a member, to be implicitly agreeing with these practices.

and that's my $0.02 on the matter.

If the woman who left a comment on the news page is any indication .... Fogarty is secure in his position ....

The org would have buckled only if they had been liable ....

Plus he's part of the inner circle ....

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by DAII

See Salem in New England ... Angela would have been roasted ... by the those who accept innuendo as evidence.
Sadly enough we have posters here who would applaud it.

Apostolic witch trial...that's exactly what happened at that church.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Oh, no, she had her own ideas about some things!!!

If the pastor's theology and rationale allows for divorce in such matters then the sheep will reflect it, jmho.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Apostolic witch trial...that's exactly what happened at that church.

The extreme conclusion of Puritanism.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Oh, no, she had her own ideas about some things!!!

Ya, my "thoughts" exactly. Was she simply openly rebellious, or was she questioning? Or did she "question" and THEN rebel because she was told she was not SUB-mitttttttting <spit>?

[Michlow]

I confess, I only read 54 of the 80 pages of this thread before I literally couldn't take anymore. To be honest, it's been fascinating reading. I can't imagine people being so mortified at the thought of a woman wearing a bikini in public. I know once upon a time I probably would have been one of them...which is even more amazing to me.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by OilCityCajun

Ok, I have refrained from posting, but since there sems to be a certain anti-UPCI bent to many of these posts from certain corners, I feel the need to post the view of 1 UPC preacher-pending(TM). But first, allow me to post my cedentials and/or lack thereof.

1. Every church of which I have been a member in my entire life - with the exception of 1; An Independant Apostolic church with even more strict holiness standards than the average UPC - beginning from soon after I was born, has been either a UPCI member church or an affiliated independant.
2. I have felt the call to preach since I was 14.
3. I have delivered a small number of sermons at the church in which I was raised
4. For many reasons which I preferr not to discuss, I have never pursued a UPC license until just recently.

My stance on holiness teaching is that modesty is essential, and it is the authority of the pastor to define modesty. It is the duty of the congregant to either obey, or find a pastor who has a different definition of modesty; as remaining a congregant of a specific church while not aligning to the standards preaced in that church is an act of rebellion, and this - the rebellion, not the 'lower' standards - is sin.

Having said that, it appears, from the details in the story, the following is true:
1)The pastor violated the law
2)The pastor did not bridle his tongue
3)The pastor did not excercise wisdom or sound judgement
4)The pastor deliberately stretched the definition of aldultry in order to justify a divorce and subsequent relationship which violate the Bible and UPCI edict.
5)On any one point above, one would be within ones right to question whether this pastor is indeed, at this time, following Christ and therefore is to be followed
6)With all 4 points above being true, it is, in my opinion, the duty of all involved to question this man's qualifications to remain a pastor. If the board wont question it, then each individual member must decide if they wish, by remaining a member, to be implicitly agreeing with these practices.

and that's my $0.02 on the matter.

I predict you will get pm's from earnst-while UPC preachers to advise you not to post on AFF or it may affect your licensing.