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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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Baron, can you explain why, for religious purposes, the church is not allowed to define fornication in this case? The plaintiff's attorney, as part of the legal proceeding, seemed to make it an issue how the state defined fornication
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The church would be able to define fornication, however it appears that even under his definition there were no facts to support his claims, thus truth was not used as a defense.
I think the fact that he deliberately defined it so widely and left the congregation to imagine the worst was a huge mistake.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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The state has to define adultery with certain parameters or the could go with Jesus' definition of just thinking it ... and we could try to prosecute against thought bubbles.
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I think we'd all be in jail. 
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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$500,000 Awarded in Slander Lawsuit
This quote from the article is interesting:
Are the days of pastors calling out individual members of the congregation for sin over? I hope so! It's one thing to preach against sin, but it's another when you name names and can possibly ruin the reputation of someone by your public gossip in front of peers.
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The pastor was looking for an excuse so his daughter could biblical marry the ex husband.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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So from the time of engagement to marriage was less than 4 months.... WOW!
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It was only a couple of months for us, with a few months of dating before hand. But then again we were both in our 30's already (with no prior marriages). How old are the two in question? The daughter looks like she isn't even 20 yet.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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The state has to define adultery with certain parameters or the could go with Jesus' definition of just thinking it ... and we could try to prosecute against thought bubbles.
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But isn't that strictly for legalities? I mean she was not charged with fornication or adultery under the state law. Why can't a church define for itself, for it's own purposes, what fornication is?
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The state has to define adultery with certain parameters or the could go with Jesus' definition of just thinking it ... and we could try to prosecute against thought bubbles.
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The state defines it for their purposes, a $15 crime in MD. But the church can define it for its purpose.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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The article doesn't state that they were engaged at the time of the statement. He said at that point that they were "going to be romantically involved." e.g., dating?
My parents met and dated for only a couple of months before they married. Lots of couples have quick romances. Not my cup of tea, but it does happen.
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Yes, I agree with this. The whole problem would have been avoided had the pastor's daughter chose someone else, or not get involved with a divorced man.
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I think we'd all be in jail.
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Yep.
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The pastor was looking for an excuse so his daughter could biblical marry the ex husband.
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I agree. So he threw the ex-wife's reputation under the bus to facilitate the scriptural legality of the new relationship.
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Re: UPC Pastor Convicted of Slander in Pulpit!
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I think we'd all be in jail.
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Thanks for the confession MissB. Now go dip your head in Holy Water once for each thought that would have put you in jail if that was the law :P jkjkjkjk
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