Can Women Pastor ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

*looking for that confused animation*

Soooooooo much "substance" in this response? Sheesh, why am I even wasting my time on here??????

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Nope, never said it! Now we're putting words in my mouth. Might be time for you to give up if this is what you've gotta' resort to!

It's just comical how women feel the need to "explain" to us what Paul "really" meant in I Tim. 2:11-15, since we apparently can't take his words at face value!

Uh... yeah, you sure did!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Uh... yeah, you sure did!

Then pls. cut & paste where I *said* that I won't listen because she's a woman. C'mon, since "I said" it, surely you can do it Jeffrey.......sinking fast aren't we!

[rdp]

Honestly, this is child's play.

Look in 2mmorrow.........got things to do.

Be blessed anyway folks!

[Jeffrey]

RDP, did they quote from oral law or "expound from Scripture?"

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Where did I ever say "I won't use" historical-cultural context:________? Surely you can fill in at least ONE blank can't ya'? Besides, my point is how does "I do not allow....." fit into merely a cultural ideaology? Are we part of the same church, or not?

Review your own quotes. You won't have to go back too far.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Why, glad you asked kind sir: Paul instructed Timothy, who's called an Apostle, "THESE THINGS [i.e., this NT letter] command and T-E-A-C-H."

Now, your turn, pls. provide me where a woman was instructed to do such:_____________?

Besides, they did have Scriptures in NT times. Or did they quote from their imaginations when they said, "For it is written....."???????

Commented on this on the post prior, but wanted follow-up on something.

So "command and teach" what Paul wrote. Circulate and read his letters.

Teaching separated from preaching here?

Recently a case was before the General Assembly that challenged the propriety of a woman speaking to the congregation in a worship service, and using her time to expound and apply Scripture to the lives of the people (see The Final SJC Report on the John Wood Matter - citing from a source, not my own words). The pastor of that church stated that he believed women can "preach" in the sense that they can offer a witness to the truth of the gospel in many different settings, but not in the sense that they can offer authoritative teaching from the pulpit during a worship service.

In fact, Scripture (mostly the New Testament) calls many things "preaching," even when they aren't done in a worship service or by a minister.

More from Ra McLaughlin who does a splendid job, objectively discussing this issue: http://www.thirdmill.org/answers/ans...ions/site/iiim

[Jeffrey]

Closer to my understanding. Here McLaughlin talks about 1 Timothy 3: http://thirdmill.org/answers/answer....ions/site/iiim

[Sister Alvear]

Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780.)

The word "Prophet" means a public expounder.

The word "Prophesy" means to speak forth, or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Cor. 14:3, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort."

The dictionary says, prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration...to preach."

[Sister Alvear]

Therefore we learn from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, that to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

The Old and New Testament prophets and prophetesses were preachers of God's Word.

Even if the words prophet and preacher could be separated, how could anyone prophesy to bring exhortation, comfort and edification to the church, if she were forbidden to speak in church and was to keep silent?
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