Can Women Pastor ?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

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Don't listen to the scholar because she's a woman.
I used to think this was just your theology, but perhaps your theology also reflects your attitude toward women (in your case).

Nice ad hominem....entirely irrelevant to I Tim. 2:11-15, next................

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Again. 5 paragraphs of information and all she gets back is a canned response.

Are you really serious about interacting on this topic?

Hmmm, let's see, we're on pg. 127 & you accuse me earlier of "liking to make long posts"........now my posts are too short???? Remember that bit about "saying what you mean................" LOL!

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

I've repeatedly said [if you'd quit your attack mode for a moment & go back thru the various posts] that I believe that women can prophesy, which is a form of preaching, I suppose you could say. Sure! But prophecy is N-O-T an exposition from the Bible! When a woman does this, she violates I Tim. 2:11-15.....very clearly.

Furthermore, I'll just assume that you cannot provide the biblical example of the NT woman preacher, this should be easy enough for to do, since you believe in them.....surely there's at least O-N-E example.....right:_________?

And I'm trying to understand where you get your definition of preaching meaning "exposition from the Bible" when this letter was penned before there was a Bible.

So here's something for you, show me one example of where any of the NT pastors (we can even use the term elders) expounded from the Bible (not just citing scripture), but expounded from it. Go ahead, your turn

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Hmmm, let's see, we're on pg. 127 & you accuse me earlier of "liking to make long posts"........now my posts are too short???? Remember that bit about "saying what you mean................" LOL!

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[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

"Good to see someone on here is so special and smart like me."

So in other words, you cannot explain I Tim. 2:11-15....right?

And when someone can, they're a know it all I suppose???????????????

Sheesh!

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by rdp

Nice ad hominem....entirely irrelevant to I Tim. 2:11-15, next................

Great deflection!

Sorry, Sis. Alvear, you're a woman and the person you cite is a woman -- they can't contribute anything of value here, according to RDP.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

And I'm trying to understand where you get your definition of preaching meaning "exposition from the Bible" when this letter was penned before there was a Bible.

So here's something for you, show me one example of where any of the NT pastors (we can even use the term elders) expounded from the Bible (not just citing scripture), but expounded from it. Go ahead, your turn

Why, glad you asked kind sir: Paul instructed Timothy, who's called an Apostle, "THESE THINGS [i.e., this NT letter] command and T-E-A-C-H."

Now, your turn, pls. provide me where a woman was instructed to do such:_____________?

Besides, they did have Scriptures in NT times. Or did they quote from their imaginations when they said, "For it is written....."???????

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Great deflection!

Sorry, Sis. Alvear, you're a woman and the person you cite is a woman -- they can't contribute anything of value here, according to RDP.

Nope, never said it! Now we're putting words in my mouth. Might be time for you to give up if this is what you've gotta' resort to!

It's just comical how women feel the need to "explain" to us what Paul "really" meant in I Tim. 2:11-15, since we apparently can't take his words at face value!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

And I'm trying to understand where you get your definition of preaching meaning "exposition from the Bible" when this letter was penned before there was a Bible.

So here's something for you, show me one example of where any of the NT pastors (we can even use the term elders) expounded from the Bible (not just citing scripture), but expounded from it. Go ahead, your turn

Need some more examples: Peter exponded from Joel at Pentecost, Phillip "preached to him Jesus" from Isaiah, Paul taught from the law & prophets in Acts, etc. ad nauseum.

Still waiting on your example of a woman doing so:______________?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Context. That's a big hermeneutic word for you.

Read my remarks in CONTEXT.

In other words, don't tell me you see how historical-cultural context is necessary for interpret, and then give reasons why you won't use it and refer to this "plain meaning" of the Text. You're words are adding up here...

Where did I ever say "I won't use" historical-cultural context:________? Surely you can fill in at least ONE blank can't ya'? Besides, my point is how does "I do not allow....." fit into merely a cultural ideaology? Are we part of the same church, or not?