Oh yea, I forgot one thing... The trip itself is more than enough compensation for most, so it isn't like you are not being compensated, it's just that compensation takes a different form than cold hard cash.
I pretty much kept my mouth shut during the, "WooHoo, we won" thread, but since this has been brought up, I have a hard time with the whole "Choir Competition" concept. I just can't imagine Jesus in the middle of this stuff. Imagine, in Acts 14 or so, the apostles holding a "Healing Competition" or a "Convert Competition". I don't see how Jesus gets lifted up in this stuff. I can't imagine that Jesus gives a hoot who sings the best. This is strictly for the accolades of man and when that's the goal, it ends up with bickering over who gets paid, who doesn't, etc.
I pretty much kept my mouth shut during the, "WooHoo, we won" thread, but since this has been brought up, I have a hard time with the whole "Choir Competition" concept. I just can't imagine Jesus in the middle of this stuff. Imagine, in Acts 14 or so, the apostles holding a "Healing Competition" or a "Convert Competition". I don't see how Jesus gets lifted up in this stuff. I can't imagine that Jesus gives a hoot who sings the best. This is strictly for the accolades of man and when that's the goal, it ends up with bickering over who gets paid, who doesn't, etc.
NOW, I had the same sentiment. But, I'm willing to step back. They are getting recognition, so perhaps it will help them lead some to the Lord? I don't know... I just don't feel comfortable mixing worship with competition.
I pretty much kept my mouth shut during the, "WooHoo, we won" thread, but since this has been brought up, I have a hard time with the whole "Choir Competition" concept. I just can't imagine Jesus in the middle of this stuff. Imagine, in Acts 14 or so, the apostles holding a "Healing Competition" or a "Convert Competition". I don't see how Jesus gets lifted up in this stuff. I can't imagine that Jesus gives a hoot who sings the best. This is strictly for the accolades of man and when that's the goal, it ends up with bickering over who gets paid, who doesn't, etc.
I would never voluntarily do anything that endangered my families finances or my job. I believe in putting God first, my family second and then the church, choir, events, etc. It's not biblical for anyone to expect you to put choir/church stuff in front of the needs of your family.
If this trip requires that, I'd politely explain my situation to the choir director and opt out.
You guys are all on a volunteer basis. Would the choir director/pastor of your church volunteer without pay to go to New York and minister? A lot of ministers I know wouldn't go voluntarily hold a revival. A servant is worth their hire right?
It seems burdensome on people who have to support their families needs. Those who don't work or who can comfortably go, should go and support the choir. You shouldn't feel obligated to do so though.
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I pretty much kept my mouth shut during the, "WooHoo, we won" thread, but since this has been brought up, I have a hard time with the whole "Choir Competition" concept. I just can't imagine Jesus in the middle of this stuff. Imagine, in Acts 14 or so, the apostles holding a "Healing Competition" or a "Convert Competition". I don't see how Jesus gets lifted up in this stuff. I can't imagine that Jesus gives a hoot who sings the best. This is strictly for the accolades of man and when that's the goal, it ends up with bickering over who gets paid, who doesn't, etc.
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Agreed.
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I would never voluntarily do anything that endangered my families finances or my job. I believe in putting God first, my family second and then the church, choir, events, etc. It's not biblical for anyone to expect you to put choir/church stuff in front of the needs of your family.
If this trip requires that, I'd politely explain my situation to the choir director and opt out.
You guys are all on a volunteer basis. Would the choir director/pastor of your church volunteer without pay to go to New York and minister? A lot of ministers I know wouldn't go voluntarily hold a revival. A servant is worth their hire right?
It seems burdensome on people who have to support their families needs. Those who don't work or who can comfortably go, should go and support the choir. You shouldn't feel obligated to do so though.
While I personally would not be to enthused with the idea of choir competition, I also realize my opinion may be biased because I am not into the style we see displayed.
I see no reason why God cannot be glorified in and through competitive events, like Bible Quizzing, Singing, Music, Drama or a TV reality show. It is a fordrawn conclusion that not everyone will enjoy every event and there is a target audience. I think the chance to be on Good Morning America has great potential to be a positive witness.
The personal opportunity for the individual choir members is huge. This is the stuff memories are made of, and what keeps life from becoming mundane. If it means someone losing income and causes stress in finances - I think others in the church should support them to help make it happen. A trip to NYC and a chance to sing on TV sounds fabulous to me, in spite of the fact that I prefer smooth Jazz over Black Choir music.
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While I personally would not be to enthused with the idea of choir competition, I also realize my opinion may be biased because I am not into the style we see displayed.
I see no reason why God cannot be glorified in and through competitive events, like Bible Quizzing, Singing, Music, Drama or a TV reality show. It is a fordrawn conclusion that not everyone will enjoy every event and there is a target audience. I think the chance to be on Good Morning America has great potential to be a positive witness.
The personal opportunity for the individual choir members is huge. This is the stuff memories are made of, and what keeps life from becoming mundane. If it means someone losing income and causes stress in finances - I think others in the church should support them to help make it happen. A trip to NYC and a chance to sing on TV sounds fabulous to me, in spite of the fact that I prefer smooth Jazz over Black Choir music.
Does anyone know what happened to the OP?
Did he make it to the competition?
Did his choir do well?
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Wow German, you really are dragging up an old thread here. From way back in 2009.
I would think that by now most of Pentecost would know what church that was that flew to NYC to be on Good Morning America.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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