Finally...the $64,000 question was asked...

[A.W. Bowman]

There is really a very simple test for this whole a fare.

Let the US government clean up, revise, make efficient and provide cost effective quality health care in the three health care programs it already has 100% control over: The Medicare, Medicaid and the VA health systems. Then, when everyone in the country - no exceptions - are all mandated to be covered by the same universal laws of the land, then perhaps the US government will have earned the right (and the trust) to manage the entire country's health care system(s).

Until then, we have the fox watching the hen house.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esther

Finally...the $64,000 question was asked...
Yesterday on "abc-tv" (better known as the all barrack channel)
during the "network special on health care".... Obama was asked:


"mr. President will you and your family give up your current health care program and join the new 'universal health care program' that the rest of us will be on ????"..... (bet you already know the answer)...
There was a stoney silence as obama ignored the question and chose not to answer it !!!...

In addition, a number of senators were asked t he same question and there response was..."we will think about it."

and they did. It was announced today on the news that the "kennedy health care bill" was written into the new health care reform initiative ensuring that that congress will be 100% exempt !

So, this great new health care plan that is good for you and i... Is not good enough for obama, his family or congress...??
We (the american public) need to stop this proposed debacle asap !!!!... This is totally wrong !!!!!

Personally, i can only accept a universal health care overhaul that extends to everyone... Not just us lowly citizens... While the washington "elite" keep right on with their gold-plated health care coverages.

Those in Congress already have a government subsidized health insurance plan. The goal of Obama's plan is to establish coverage for those not already covered. If they start expanding coverage for those who already have coverage the cost of the plan will increase exponentially.

It should be noted that Obama's original plan was to provide all Americans the coverage option that Congress has. However, health insurance providers want to maintain their markets and the idea proved to be far more problematic than originally thought.

My opinion is that IF we move toward national health insurance we should go all the way and design a single payer system. I'm afraid that while Obama's plan is at least "a plan" it will not work the way they envision.

[Aquila]

Please note, Congress doesn't have a "gold-plated" health care plan.

Myths About Congress Exposed
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308378,00.html

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Please note, Congress doesn't have a "gold-plated" health care plan.

Myths About Congress Exposed
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308378,00.html

Good link, Aquila. Thanks for posting that.

[Scott Hutchinson]

This sounds prophetic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

[A.W. Bowman]

I want to thank everyone - on several threads - for taking the time to express their views, ideas, concepts, and what facts thay have (both real and imagined). I too have learned a few things and had t make a few corrections in my thinking.

The one thing that seems to be the underlying foundation of all of the debates, discussions and exchanges of opinions is trust. It would appear that what we have are actually two camps, those who trust the federal government and those who do not trust that government. I freely admit that I fall into the latter group.

For example, I hold in my had a card that when authorized by congress back in the 30's, after a great deal of controversy (such as the medical coverage plans of today) was finally passed - with the assurance that it would NEVER be used as federal registration and identification.

Even as late as the 50's my Social Security Identification card [Form OA-702 Rev. (2-54)] still has the following statement printed on the bottom (in caps):

FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES * NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION

Well, we all know what happened to that government promise. The "not for identification" statement has been dropped from the cards. You cannot open (conduct) a business, including opening a checking or savings account, you cannot buy insurance or make any kind of claim, get married or divorced, obtain a passport or driver's license, or enter into any other kind of legal relationship (federal, state, local, or business).

The big move to make the Social Security number the national registration number was in the 60's when all military I.D. numbers were changed over from service issued numbers to Social Security numbers.

No, I remain in the "I don't trust my own government" group.

For me there is really one question left:

Is congress going to exempt themselves (or any federal employee) from any of the provisions in the proposed law? If the answer is yes, then I remain absolutely apposed to the government getting any further involved in this health system scheme.

I continue to maintain - let them clean up the federal health care mess they currently have on their hands (government created) before taking on the entire health syetem.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

I want to thank everyone - on several threads - for taking the time to express their views, ideas, concepts, and what facts thay have (both real and imagined). I too have learned a few things and had t make a few corrections in my thinking.

The one thing that seems to be the underlying foundation of all of the debates, discussions and exchanges of opinions is trust. It would appear that what we have are actually two camps, those who trust the federal government and those who do not trust that government. I freely admit that I fall into the latter group.

For example, I hold in my had a card that when authorized by congress back in the 30's, after a great deal of controversy (such as the medical coverage plans of today) was finally passed - with the assurance that it would NEVER be used as federal registration and identification.

Even as late as the 50's my Social Security Identification card [Form OA-702 Rev. (2-54)] still has the following statement printed on the bottom (in caps):

FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES * NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION

Well, we all know what happened to that government promise. The "not for identification" statement has been dropped from the cards. You cannot open (conduct) a business, including opening a checking or savings account, you cannot buy insurance or make any kind of claim, get married or divorced, obtain a passport or driver's license, or enter into any other kind of legal relationship (federal, state, local, or business).

The big move to make the Social Security number the national registration number was in the 60's when all military I.D. numbers were changed over from service issued numbers to Social Security numbers.

No, I remain in the "I don't trust my own government" group.

For me there is really one question left:

Is congress going to exempt themselves (or any federal employee) from any of the provisions in the proposed law? If the answer is yes, then I remain absolutely apposed to the government getting any further involved in this health system scheme.

I continue to maintain - let them clean up the federal health care mess they currently have on their hands (government created) before taking on the entire health syetem.

Good post and I agree. Their track record does NOT speak well for them. And this is not a "Party" statement, but the whole congress.