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12-11-2008, 09:27 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
He said IF.
He didn't accuse pastors of racism.
We're all prejudiced to some extent, and it doesn't have to be against skin color - it can be against social class, lifestyle, etc.
The point Prax was trying to make, if I interpret his post correctly, is that some pastors consider saints to be in another social class, thereby creating a prejudice.
However, I won't argue that point with you, will you answer my other question?
And by the way, you don't need to call me Rev. Phelps, I'm no longer in the ministry.
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Exactly right...intereting how he interpreted it as me comparing Pastors to racists.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 09:28 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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We love you too, does this mean you're not going to answer my question?
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Think Bill of Rights.
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12-11-2008, 09:30 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Exactly right...intereting how he interpreted it as me comparing Pastors to racists.
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How come you said he was right - I said the same thing.
Are you prejudice?
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12-11-2008, 09:30 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
No no no....he was comparing the situations.
Why even bring up raciism? Prejudice?
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comparing WHOSE situation? Do you divide the body into class and treat non-pastors as inferior? Do most Pastors? I expect the answer to be no....as it was said I said IF. That is why we DON'T do that, not just Pastors but us...we...all of us.
If I wanted to compare Pastors in a sweeping generalization to racists Id say "all pastors are like racists"
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
How come you said he was right - I said the same thing.
Are you prejudice?
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you right 2 
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 09:32 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
comparing WHOSE situation? Do you divide the body into class and treat non-pastors as inferior? Do most Pastors? I expect the answer to be no....as it was said I said IF. That is why we DON'T do that, not just Pastors but us...we...all of us.
If I wanted to compare Pastors in a sweeping generalization to racists Id say "all pastors are like racists"
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Great....now he'll say you said all pastors are like racists.
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12-11-2008, 09:32 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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12-11-2008, 09:33 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Great....now he'll say you said all pastors are like racists.
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Exactly!
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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12-11-2008, 09:35 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
Think Bill of Rights.
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Duly noted.
Let me give you my answer.
In an ideal world, we would tell the saint not to say anything bad about the former pastor, let God deal with him, don't let bitterness take root, etc.
However, in my experience, it's a bit different with pastors. They can talk about other pastors, even press charges, and there is a special committee that will take the case under advisement and mete out punishment to the offending pastor if deemed necessary.
So, if a saint is supposed to "let it go", and if they express their frustration with being mistreated by a pastor, why is it "Pastor Bashing", and if another minister expressed displeasure, and even files charges, it's just following due process?
If there is no distinction in social class between preachers and saints, should this be so?
Just curious.
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12-11-2008, 09:44 PM
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Re: How close should a pastor get to the members?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Duly noted.
Let me give you my answer.
In an ideal world, we would tell the saint not to say anything bad about the former pastor, let God deal with him, don't let bitterness take root, etc.
However, in my experience, it's a bit different with pastors. They can talk about other pastors, even press charges, and there is a special committee that will take the case under advisement and mete out punishment to the offending pastor if deemed necessary.
So, if a saint is supposed to "let it go", and if they express their frustration with being mistreated by a pastor, why is it "Pastor Bashing", and if another minister expressed displeasure, and even files charges, it's just following due process?
If there is no distinction in social class between preachers and saints, should this be so?
Just curious.
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I prefer the Bible method, regardless of who the issue is with.
I was once grievously wronged by an official.
Members of the General Board urged me to file charges; I refused.
Jesus just said to forgive.
The UPC has a judical procedure to deal with grievances, but then again it is a man made organization and subject to all the shortcoming that such entails.
I am against filing charges with the org.
I prefer to do it the Bible way, saint or preacher, and I have practiced what I preach when it would have been far easier to do otherwise.
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