Gay people in Church

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I doubt he has had any dealings with homosexuals. I find it very doubtful that there is a closet in Indiana, and they are all lined up, walking out in an orderly fashion.

I believe Steve mentioned in a previous post that he had ministered to homosexual in the past, however without any continuing effect.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

I agree that homosexuals are driven away. But it’s not for the reason you think, because you neglect acknowledgement of the spiritual aspect of homosexuality.

There is a spirit (and I don’t mean a good spirit) associated with homosexuality. On countless occasions I have spiritually sensed a gay person before I saw them. I have observed gay people from outside a meeting room, behaving normally. When I enter the room, they become nervous, agitated, and uncomfortable. Are they uncomfortable because I’m there? I look like any other businessman. It’s because there exists a spirit of homosexuality. The spirit that accompanies them is uncomfortable with the presence of the Holy Ghost in me. I’ve seen this with and heard of this from many other Apostolics. Maybe some will chime in here.

The notion that a preference or innate condition will spontaneously add to itself another preference or innate condition is surely hard to accept. But the notion that evil spirits will urge sinners to pursue more evil is Apostolic and abundantly evident. Evil spirits can throw people into a fire, right?

Gays, and especially gay activists, open themselves up to influence from these spirits. Why wouldn’t an evil spirit go out to the wilderness and gather seven more spirits?

From a spiritual perspective, it is easily understandable that somebody that is open to the spirit of homosexuality will have a difficult time resisting other evil spirits, including the spirit of pedophilia.

From generic accounts of counselors, very few people limit themselves to only one type of sexual deviancy.


I do have a question. How is your approach to reaching out to homosexuals different from the approach of the gay activists themselves in recruiting young teens to their cause?

I do agree that homosexuality is one of the many spirits from the pits of hell. I do agree that our society is promoting the 'normalcy' of what they consider to be an orientation. I do agree there is a homosexual agenda.

There are categories and subcategories to most things, and this is one of them. Reasearch bears out that many/most/a high percentage of those who claim to be homosexual were molested during the latency period of their development. They became hypersexualized because they were the victim of a victim of a victim, and now have become perpetrators.

Those molested have:
*gender identity issues
*sexual maladjustment
*trust issues
*boundary issues
*anger
*oppositional defiant attitudes and behaviors.

Those who seek and want healing emotionally, sexually, physically, and mentally can find it...like we all find it...at the foot of the cross.

For those who have been vulnerable to the homosexual spirit through a friend or even a spouse they battle it until they die, or until it wholly becomes lost in Christ.

For those who continually entertain the spirit of homosexuality...they take on the agenda from hell. As is obvious in many of our more prominenant public figures: Rosie O'Donald, and Ellen. The worst mistake the Christian American can do is to put Hillary Clinton in office because, once in office, I am sure there will be a "coming out" party for all homosexuals.

If you live in an area or have relatives who entertain the idea that they are homosexual...know this...that spirit is trying to attach itself to you and you need to be aware of it. Pray for the homosexuals in your family, in our churches, and friends in our lives. The spirit of homosexuality is a strong one that gets fed in our culture more than many other sexual spirits that plague our society.

Pray for our children who go to college because it is there the homosexual agenda is promoted in every class and it is RAD to be Bi-sexual. We need to humble ourselves and pray. Do not mistreat, do not judge, do not harrass people who are homosexual. Show them mercy lest you yourself be tempted.

Just feel like preaching today.

Blessings, Rhoni

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Those molested have:
*gender identity issues
*sexual maladjustment
*trust issues
*boundary issues
*anger
*oppositional defiant attitudes and behaviors.

That's the truth! Thank God for the saving power of Jesus Christ, Amen.

P.S.
Rhon, you do not have to wrap tags around each sentence.
You should click on the size font before you begin to type,
then space it apart in like manner:
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Type in the space provided.

[OP_Carl]

Should we interpret Chan's silence in the traditional fashion, which means he cannot refute my points or answer my questions, or do we start a prayer chain because he has been overcome by the sickness and tiredness I induced in him?

Just when I was beginning to get curious about his point of view, too.

While I am here:

There is NEVER any justification for treating someone whom GOD has forgiven as if he is not forgiven - which is exactly what you're demanding we do. It's not your place to deny someone whom God has forgiven the place in the body of Christ that God has assigned.

Let's find a pastor who is willing to delegate management of church finances to a known embezzler, con man, or thief who has "recently" been saved. Or even just a person who has been through bankruptcy within the last year. There is a time and place for blind faith, and there is a time and place for wisdom.

God Bless you and keep you.

[trent4]

It is not unusual for a gay/lesbian person to be at my church on Sunday.
We welcome them just like any other person.

This past Sun night a guy that I was best friends with in middle and high school came to church, I don't know when he had been to church last. But I was so glad to see him there, and what made me more happy is when my husband came off the platform and hugged him and told him it was good to see him.
I thought the message that was preached, "I've got my mind made up", was perfect. The minister talked about making up your mind to live for Jesus 100% and not letting anything hinder you from being at church everytime you can. I am sure he is not the only one that needed to hear it, but God knows who is coming to every service.

If we don't show them the love of God, who will.

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

2) You vocally and repeatedly insist that homosexuality and child molesting are unrelated.

You are on very shaky ground here. The facts and statistics are in my favor.

I'd like to see your source on these statistics, please. Also, what exactly are the statistics of which you speak?

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Subdued

I'd like to see your source on these statistics, please. Also, what exactly are the statistics of which you speak?

Family Research Council article making the connection with data and citations from journals reporting on a wide variety of topics from behavior to crime statistics to medicine to psychology

Overview of pedophilia by the director of the FRC

WorldNetDaily article showing the interconnections within the advocacy groups This article cites some of the work being compiled by Dr. Reisman that debunks the Kinsey report, a fraudulent report that has been used as an authoritative source in the promotion of sexual deviancy by psychological associations for the last 50 years.

I hadn't heard of this group that claims to debunk myths of the gay agenda Their web page cites some studies, even if it is a little hokey.


You're sure to notice that the articles in which these data are gathered to draw the connection are most easily found in sources that are considered biased or even fringe. The mainstream news organs, looking at the same unassailable underlying data, give a yawn and move on. They are either uninterested, fearful of appearing nonconformist, or complicit in the agenda.

Anything remotely resembling criticism of gays, minorities, and other protected special interest groups simply isn't done in our "enlightened" society today. I'm not saying that you shouldn't take the sources of the articles with a grain of salt, I'm saying: Who else would report it?

Invite them anyone into Gods house and love them. Show them the way and God will change them and bring them into the light.

Trac