I don't believe homosexuality is normal, but I do think it is a sin that simply makes them a sinner, and from God's perspective, He died for them just the same as any other.
P.S. Lying is an abomination too.
Thank you. I was going to post it but thought I'd wait to see if someone else did first.
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How careful should we be in inviting gay people to church?
AND NOBODY SAY ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO GET YOU BANNED!
I want this to be a nice civilized christian-like thread! lol
Now, say you run into a drag queen on the street, they kind of want to go to church, but they are afraid of being bashed and treated badly in the church. Would you invite them to church, if you had even the slightest bit of hesitation?
Would you treat them the same, if only because they're still a person? What they do in their private life is disgusting. But, it doesn't mean that can't get the Holy Ghost and change. How would you handle this?
I have a friend who is gay. and I have invited her to church...but I have to wonder what would happen when she did come to church. If she would bring her girlfriend, if I should even be attempting to witness to her...
What would you do? And I'm asking this as where I come from, we dont have gay people in our churches (that we know about anyway!) and it's very well known that they will not be used until they're straight.
That you would even ask such questions shows a sinful attitude of partiality on the part of many. Homosexuals are sinners just like all other sinners and are just as much in need of salvation as everyone else. Why should you not invite them to church?
In my former denomination there was a running joke that if all the homosexuals left the UPC then the UPC wouldn't have any kind of music ministry.
I will get executed I guess but this is a sincere question. I know from scripture that homosexuals can be saved(1Cor. 6:9-11) however has anyone ever known one changing and staying changed? I haven't I would just like to know if anyone personally knows of one changing and maintaining their 'straight' stance for a good period of time?? Again NOT saying it can't be done we have scripture 'where such were some of you.' Just asking for personal experience?
And use caution. Watch them to see if they are truly allowing God to change them.
I agree that we should reach out to homosexuals, and that they can be saved.
Adult homosexuality is largely the result of childhood sexual abuse. Old patterns die hard. The mainstream presentation of homosexuals is that of witty, successful, and monogamous people. The truth is a little more seedy. Homosexuals have a greater propensity for multiple partners and child predation than do heterosexuals. I'm not making a blanket statement, just suggesting there is greater risk. The reason that the homosexuals coined the term 'homophobia' is so that we'll lower our guard to avoid appearing reactionary.
Churches should have plans in place to deal with this, in the interest of protecting the children and the corporate liability for crimes that take place on church property where negligence can be proved.
Cross-dressers and transvestites, usually homosexual, present an especially pernicious problem. They might be dressed as a woman, or have the body of a woman, but there in the ladies room they are looking at your little daughter with a man's eyes. How are you going to deal with that?
Are you going to sacrifice your children's safety, health, purity, and possible future salvation in the interests of not offending a sexual deviant? In the interests of not interrupting their spiritual journey, hoping that this season of repentance will be the final one?
There is a reason child molesters are stealthy and secretive: they know that even Holy-Ghost-filled preachers can become stone-cold triggermen when they find out somebody has been messing with their kids.
I know there is not a simple solution. But just as I believe that we shouldn't send children into physical battle in the U.S. Army, I believe that we shouldn't send children into spiritual battle either.
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And use caution. Watch them to see if they are truly allowing God to change them.
I agree that we should reach out to homosexuals, and that they can be saved.
Adult homosexuality is largely the result of childhood sexual abuse. Old patterns die hard. The mainstream presentation of homosexuals is that of witty, successful, and monogamous people. The truth is a little more seedy. Homosexuals have a greater propensity for multiple partners and child predation than do heterosexuals. I'm not making a blanket statement, just suggesting there is greater risk. The reason that the homosexuals coined the term 'homophobia' is so that we'll lower our guard to avoid appearing reactionary.
Churches should have plans in place to deal with this, in the interest of protecting the children and the corporate liability for crimes that take place on church property where negligence can be proved.
Cross-dressers and transvestites, usually homosexual, present an especially pernicious problem. They might be dressed as a woman, or have the body of a woman, but there in the ladies room they are looking at your little daughter with a man's eyes. How are you going to deal with that?
Are you going to sacrifice your children's safety, health, purity, and possible future salvation in the interests of not offending a sexual deviant? In the interests of not interrupting their spiritual journey, hoping that this season of repentance will be the final one?
There is a reason child molesters are stealthy and secretive: they know that even Holy-Ghost-filled preachers can become stone-cold triggermen when they find out somebody has been messing with their kids.
I know there is not a simple solution. But just as I believe that we shouldn't send children into physical battle in the U.S. Army, I believe that we shouldn't send children into spiritual battle either.
No not a problem for me. Transvestites and crossdressers would have no personal contact with my children.
No not a problem for me. Transvestites and crossdressers would have no personal contact with my children.
Actually, you can't say that. It's not like they wear a sign on their backs.
Truth is, we don't know who could be gay, transvestite, crossdresser, or what have you. They don't always look like those who show up on the Jerry Springer show.
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And use caution. Watch them to see if they are truly allowing God to change them.
I agree that we should reach out to homosexuals, and that they can be saved.
Adult homosexuality is largely the result of childhood sexual abuse. Old patterns die hard. The mainstream presentation of homosexuals is that of witty, successful, and monogamous people. The truth is a little more seedy. Homosexuals have a greater propensity for multiple partners and child predation than do heterosexuals. I'm not making a blanket statement, just suggesting there is greater risk. The reason that the homosexuals coined the term 'homophobia' is so that we'll lower our guard to avoid appearing reactionary.
Churches should have plans in place to deal with this, in the interest of protecting the children and the corporate liability for crimes that take place on church property where negligence can be proved.
Cross-dressers and transvestites, usually homosexual, present an especially pernicious problem. They might be dressed as a woman, or have the body of a woman, but there in the ladies room they are looking at your little daughter with a man's eyes. How are you going to deal with that?
Are you going to sacrifice your children's safety, health, purity, and possible future salvation in the interests of not offending a sexual deviant? In the interests of not interrupting their spiritual journey, hoping that this season of repentance will be the final one?
There is a reason child molesters are stealthy and secretive: they know that even Holy-Ghost-filled preachers can become stone-cold triggermen when they find out somebody has been messing with their kids.
I know there is not a simple solution. But just as I believe that we shouldn't send children into physical battle in the U.S. Army, I believe that we shouldn't send children into spiritual battle either.
The bigger question is, how will you even know they are such? It's not like they all go around advertising.
There have been children molested in the church by ushers and other 'saints'. They didn't wear signs either, and nobody had a clue until it happened more than once.
The safe thing to do is make sure your children are with you at all times.
Even when in church.
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Actually, you can't say that. It's not like they wear a sign on their backs.
Truth is, we don't know who could be gay, transvestite, crossdresser, or what have you. They don't always look like those who show up on the Jerry Springer show.
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The bigger question is, how will you even know they are such? It's not like they all go around advertising.
There have been children molested in the church by ushers and other 'saints'. They didn't wear signs either, and nobody had a clue until it happened more than once.
The safe thing to do is make sure your children are with you at all times.
Even when in church.
Point well taken. That is why I am cautious of most everyone even those in church. I would be lying however if I would say I am not overly cautious with any known sexual deviants, homosexual or not, saved or unsaved. I know Chan will likely repromend my "bias in the body of Christ". That is something to consider too....
PS Sometimes you can tell the difference! Many of these wannabe-the-other-sexers have cheap surgens & poor quality hormone treatment... cause I can spot'um. Makes me wonder though - if there was some I did not spot.
Point well taken. That is why I am cautious of most everyone even those in church. I would be lying however if I would say I am not overly cautious with any known sexual deviants, homosexual or not, saved or unsaved. I know Chan will likely repromend my "bias in the body of Christ". That is something to consider too....
PS Sometimes you can tell the difference! Many of these wannabe-the-other-sexers have cheap surgens & poor quality hormone treatment... cause I can spot'um. Makes me wonder though - if there was some I did not spot.
I, too, don't trust church people in general, and I watch the SS kids like a hawk when I'm there!
As for spotting them, one still can't be too sure. I've seen some ugly women! I've also seen pretty men. I've also seen one or the other where I wasn't exactly sure what they were!
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