Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

It all started here....


26 And God said, Let us make man


Then God formed Adam.


If God would not have said this first....


26 And God said, Let us make man


Then no Adam.


God can either form some things from nothing or form some things to make things.

It is fine either way.


Jesus(sperm cell) was made by both nothing becoming something and Mary's something (egg). Both substances.

Just quoting Bible passages with an overly obvious statement is not teaching, Sean.

You don't allow that from any of us, so why would you believe we should allow it from you?

Come on, Teacher--explain it. You're the one telling us how important it is to your doctrine, so surely you know it well enough to teach it in detail.

So, take what you posted above and fill in the details of how these verses work together and what they mean regarding you theology,

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

I shall.

Adam was made with a body, soul and spirit.

Jesus was used as a pattern to make Adam.

We are made in the image of God.

The image of God that man is made of is Jesus, body soul and spirit.

Man is not God.

So, Jesus had a body, soul, and spirit before Mary birthed Him?

Please, give us the Scripture for that.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

The "us" in the verse is speaking to the man, Christ Jesus, that was slain before that point in time(before time began).

So, Jesus, the man, was there with the Father during the creation?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not(do not yet exist) as though they were(as though they existed in the past).


Only our timeless God can see the future in real time.

Is this your God the Father or your God the Son?

You have so many I want to make sure I understand.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.



Another passage of the Father speaking through Jesus.

I thought Jesus did not receive the Father until after the resurrection?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Or, was she divinely implanted with a tiny fetus of "Gods' robe of flesh"?(Mary only the incubator).


Does anyone have an opinion?

Mary conceived, according to scripture. But it was a conception not of "created sperm" but of the Holy Ghost. Thus it was a joining of the Spirit of God and a human egg. If God created sperm, and them fertilized the egg with that sperm, God is not the Father of Jesus.


KABOOM!!!!!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

So, Jesus, the man, was there with the Father during the creation?

Yes. God is timless. Think about it before you respond.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Mary conceived, according to scripture. But it was a conception not of "created sperm" but of the Holy Ghost. Thus it was a joining of the Spirit of God and a human egg. If God created sperm, and them fertilized the egg with that sperm, God is not the Father of Jesus.


KABOOM!!!!!

So the Spirit got her pregnant. I buy that. But what did it create to fertilize her egg?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

I thought Jesus did not receive the Father until after the resurrection?

The Father spoke through him.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

So the Spirit got her pregnant. I buy that. But what did it create to fertilize her egg?

God did not "create something to fertilize the egg". Why would he need to? He is the fertilizing agent in this case. Mary was found to be with "child OF THE HOLY GHOST", not sperm.