Receiving The Holy Spirit & Speaking In Tongues - Page 25

covey · #**241** 03-06-2017, 04:12 PM

[QUOTE=KeptByTheWord;1471799]See my post above regarding the wind. The sound concept having to be tongues does not hold up, because in both instances where we find the word "sound" (John 3:8, Acts 2:2), we see that indeed there was a sound, it was the sound of wind, and the wind was the sound that Jesus was speaking of would be the sign of the arrival of the HG being poured out... and the gift of tongues came next.

I agree, if we believe, we should receive. If we ask, we should receive the gift of tongues. But what of those who ask, and have never received?

No, I'm afraid it doesn't. The sound was associated with wind in both passages. Not voice.

First, let's quote the Scripture "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken for the following reasons:

1) The sound Jesus spoke about was the sound of someone being born of the Spirit. Therefore, the sound would come from the Spirit. Just like the wind which we cannot see, but we hear the sound of it's presence, so it is with "EVERYONE" that is born of the Spirit. We will hear a sound from the Spirit which we cannot see coming or going.

2) There is not a rushing mighty wind, nor the sound of one, when each one of us (EVERYONE) is born of the Spirit.

3) The Greek words in John 3:8 and Acts 2:2 are different, and carry a different application and meaning. The Greek word used for "sound" in John 3:8 is "phōnē". The following definition clarifies the difference in the sound of a inanimate thing and an animate thing. The Holy Spirit and the human being are not inanimate things. The word Jesus used would have been clearly understood to mean there would be a sound made through voice / speech.

1) a sound, a tone
A) of inanimate things, as musical instruments
2) a voice
A) of the sound of uttered words
3) speech
A) of a language, tongue

If we believe what Jesus said, we will speak in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance when we are baptized with the Holy Spirit. This is not the gift of tongues as you have proposed. The gift of tongues is a separate experince that is given by God to those He chooses. Not everyone has the gift of tongues.

So, Most of all, the issue is not that we need to speak in tongues to be saved, but we need to believe what Jesus says and obey Him in order for us to be saved. In John 3:8, Jesus clearly said we will speak in tongues when we are born of the Spirit. We need and should believe Him.

You also said "So, if you are saying there is a sound that must be heard whenever someone receives the gift, should not the "wind" be present also before receiving the gift of the HG? Because Jesus mentioned the sound you would hear would be as the wind in John 3:8, and then we see that very wind heard in Acts 2:6."
Again, see above. Jesus did not say we would hear the sound of the wind. He said we would hear the sound of the Spirit. The comparison was, both the wind and the Spirit cannot be seen, but, both, make a sound. He did not say the sound was the sound of wind. By the choice and usage of the Greek word "phōnē", Jesus was clear that those born of the Spirit would hear the sound "through tongue / speech".
Nicodemus understood this, but did not understand how. Your comparison of Acts 2:6 is unrelated to John 3:8. Jesus said the sound would be heard each and every tim someone was born of the Spirit. Additionally, the Greek word in Acts 2:6 is a different word that carries a different meaning and definition.

Esaias · #**242** 03-06-2017, 04:24 PM

[QUOTE=covey;1471880]

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

See my post above regarding the wind. The sound concept having to be tongues does not hold up, because in both instances where we find the word "sound" (John 3:8, Acts 2:2), we see that indeed there was a sound, it was the sound of wind, and the wind was the sound that Jesus was speaking of would be the sign of the arrival of the HG being poured out... and the gift of tongues came next.

I agree, if we believe, we should receive. If we ask, we should receive the gift of tongues. But what of those who ask, and have never received?

No, I'm afraid it doesn't. The sound was associated with wind in both passages. Not voice.

First, let's quote the Scripture "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

I'm sorry, but you are mistaken for the following reasons:

1) The sound Jesus spoke about was the sound of someone being born of the Spirit. Therefore, the sound would come from the Spirit. Just like the wind which we cannot see, but we hear the sound of it's presence, so it is with "EVERYONE" that is born of the Spirit. We will hear a sound from the Spirit which we cannot see coming or going.

2) There is not a rushing mighty wind, nor the sound of one, when each one of us (EVERYONE) is born of the Spirit.

3) The Greek words in John 3:8 and Acts 2:2 are different, and carry a different application and meaning. The Greek word used for "sound" in John 3:8 is "phōnē". The following definition clarifies the difference in the sound of a inanimate thing and an animate thing. The Holy Spirit and the human being are not inanimate things. The word Jesus used would have been clearly understood to mean there would be a sound made through voice / speech.

1) a sound, a tone
A) of inanimate things, as musical instruments
2) a voice
A) of the sound of uttered words
3) speech
A) of a language, tongue

If we believe what Jesus said, we will speak in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance when we are baptized with the Holy Spirit. This is not the gift of tongues as you have proposed. The gift of tongues is a separate experince that is given by God to those He chooses. Not everyone has the gift of tongues.

So, Most of all, the issue is not that we need to speak in tongues to be saved, but we need to believe what Jesus says and obey Him in order for us to be saved. In John 3:8, Jesus clearly said we will speak in tongues when we are born of the Spirit. We need and should believe Him.

You also said "So, if you are saying there is a sound that must be heard whenever someone receives the gift, should not the "wind" be present also before receiving the gift of the HG? Because Jesus mentioned the sound you would hear would be as the wind in John 3:8, and then we see that very wind heard in Acts 2:6."
. Again, se above. Jesus did not say we would hear the sound of the wind. He said we would hear the sound of the Spirit. The comparison was, both the wind and the Spirit cannot be seen, but, both, make a sound. He did not say the sound was the sound of wind. Jesus was clear that those born of the Spirit would hear the sound "through tongue / speech".
Nicodemus understood this, but did not understand how.

Oh, there's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
There's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
There's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it...
O Lord, I want to hear that sound!

CalledOut238 · #**243** 03-06-2017, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

Please read my post again. I'll repost the relevant part since you missed where I did, in fact, clarify what was meant by "hopping around."

I did apologize and conceded that I interpreted her statement incorrectly. I guess my mind was distracted from your clarification while reading the rest of your scathing rebuke. There is no use in piling on.

CalledOut238 · #**244** 03-06-2017, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Apology accepted, and I'm glad to see you found the quote button too.

I am thankful for your forgiveness and tip.

Amanah · #**245** 03-07-2017, 05:50 AM

Oh, there's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
There's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
There's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it...
O Lord, I want to hear that sound!

Holy Spirit rain, rain down on us
Holy Spirit rain, rain down on us
Like a mighty wind blow through this house
Open up the heavens and pour Your Spirit out
Like a mighty wind blow through this house
Open up the heavens and pour Your Spirit out
Rain Lord, Rain Lord, Rain Lord, Rain Lord
God Almighty, Let Your Holy Spirit Rain

Holy Spirit rain, rain down on us
Holy Spirit rain, rain down on us

JamesGlen · #**246** 03-07-2017, 06:18 AM

[QUOTE=Esaias;1471882]

Quote:

Originally Posted by covey

Oh, there's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
There's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
There's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it...
O Lord, I want to hear that sound!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah

Oh, there's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
There's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
There's a sound come from Heaven, and there ain't no sound like it...
O Lord, I want to hear that sound!

Holy Spirit rain, rain down on us
Holy Spirit rain, rain down on us
Like a mighty wind blow through this house
Open up the heavens and pour Your Spirit out
Like a mighty wind blow through this house
Open up the heavens and pour Your Spirit out
Rain Lord, Rain Lord, Rain Lord, Rain Lord
God Almighty, Let Your Holy Spirit Rain

Holy Spirit rain, rain down on us
Holy Spirit rain, rain down on us

Simmer down you two...we're trying to have a discussion here

It ain't the time for

Besides, we're talking about wind, so don't go bringin rain in on it already.

n david · #**247** 03-07-2017, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CalledOut238

I did apologize and conceded that I interpreted her statement incorrectly. I guess my mind was distracted from your clarification while reading the rest of your scathing rebuke. There is no use in piling on.

Amanah · #**248** 03-07-2017, 09:30 AM

[QUOTE=JamesGlen;1471946]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias

Simmer down you two...we're trying to have a discussion here

It ain't the time for

Besides, we're talking about wind, so don't go bringin rain in on it already.

covey · #**249** 03-07-2017, 11:15 AM

[QUOTE=JamesGlen;1471946]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias

Simmer down you two...we're trying to have a discussion here

It ain't the time for

Besides, we're talking about wind, so don't go bringin rain in on it already.

Wait, did you read my posts? You are talking about wind, but I am talking about the sound of the Spirit, not wind.

Esaias · #**250** 03-07-2017, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by covey

Wait, did you read my posts? You are talking about wind, but I am talking about the sound of the Spirit, not wind.

The quotes are getting mixed up for some reason. Must be the debbil.

I know you are talking about the sound of the Spirit, that's what I was singing about.

'It's the Holy Ghost from heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
It's that Holy Ghost from heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
It's the Holy Ghost from heaven, and there ain't no sound like it!
O Lord, I want to hear that sound!

Cain't you hear that sound from heaven, there ain't no sound like it!
Cain't you hear that sound from heaven, there ain't no sound like it!
Cain't you hear that sound from heaven, there ain't no sound like it!
O Lord, I want to hear that sound!'

*Note: Have to use the word Cain't, not Can't. Otherwise it just don't SOUND right...