A lack of pastoral discernment

[Monterrey]

Sigh, what the problem is here is there is no one answer as there is no saint or pastor who is identical. There are saints that need or desire constant attention and they drift to where they will find that.

Then there are saints who are more independent and they drift also to where they feel comfortable. With each there are pastors who can help them in whatever level they desire. Nothing wrong with that.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Sigh, what the problem is here is there is no one answer as there is no saint or pastor who is identical. There are saints that need or desire constant attention and they drift to where they will find that.

Then there are saints who are more independent and they drift also to where they feel comfortable. With each there are pastors who can help them in whatever level they desire. Nothing wrong with that.

Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Seems to me some need to grow up in the word.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Sigh, what the problem is here is there is no one answer as there is no saint or pastor who is identical. There are saints that need or desire constant attention and they drift to where they will find that.

Then there are saints who are more independent and they drift also to where they feel comfortable. With each there are pastors who can help them in whatever level they desire. Nothing wrong with that.

You still miss the point of this thread. I'm referring to pastors who use oversimplified benchmarks to gauge a saints "worthiness of ministry" and stoically refuse to deviate from these opinions no matter what unique circumstances the saint might be going through.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by allstate1

Some time back I wrote a little blurb entitled " The Pentecostal Police".

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by allstate1

Some time back I wrote a little blurb entitled " The Pentecostal Police".

Go ahead and share it here. Might as well add it to the discussion!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Sigh, what the problem is here is there is no one answer as there is no saint or pastor who is identical. There are saints that need or desire constant attention and they drift to where they will find that.

Then there are saints who are more independent and they drift also to where they feel comfortable. With each there are pastors who can help them in whatever level they desire. Nothing wrong with that.

People need to be taught not to lean on and follow mankind, but on the Lord Jesus. If you are teaching the above as a pastor, then it is not your job to make sure people indeed follow and do that.

Preach the Word, love them, and don't be surprised if the Word preached doesn't take root in their heart... after all, we can remember the Parable of the Sower, and most of the Word preached falls on ground that is not ready to accept it. But that does not mean you stop sowing and loving, teaching and preaching.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

If we "preach not ourselves, but Jesus Christ", then there wouldn't be a way to preach about the "selves" of others, either.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Sigh, what the problem is here is there is no one answer as there is no saint or pastor who is identical. There are saints that need or desire constant attention and they drift to where they will find that.

Then there are saints who are more independent and they drift also to where they feel comfortable. With each there are pastors who can help them in whatever level they desire. Nothing wrong with that.

[shazeep]

be alert for the calling to a new Right Pastor
and if he doesn't know he's a pastor
don't tell him ok

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You still miss the point of this thread. I'm referring to pastors who use oversimplified benchmarks to gauge a saints "worthiness of ministry" and stoically refuse to deviate from these opinions no matter what unique circumstances the saint might be going through.

a little leaven leavens the whole batch, ya