With all of the recent hubub about a certain popular preacher SUPPOSEDLY not preaching truth from the Word of God I have wondered about some things. Interestingly, with the lack of scripture at the time of these events, I wonder...
What would have happened to Naman if he hadn't decided to dip in a dirty river seven times? I mean the nerve of the prophet!
What would have happened to the widow lady who served the prophet the last meal that they were planning to cook before dying of starvation? I mean, that selfish profit took their last meal!
What would have happened if those fishermen didn't cast their nets over to the other side, I mean, who had scripture for that???
What would have happened if Noah hadn't built and loaded the ark? A boat??? In the middle of a desert? (Of course, no one but his family listened to HIM)
What would have happened if Daniel would have obeyed King Darius' signed law instead of praying as usual? I mean he WAS breaking the law.
What would have happened if Samuel thought Eli was crazy? Really...to imagine a 7 year old hearing from God? Where was scripture for that??
And, who, just WHO would think that marching around a city would cause its walls to fall down?? I KNOW that the leader of the Israelites once previously commanded the sun to stand still, but, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURE that supports the destruction of brick and mortar by marching around it for seven days.
Good thing these people have good ole AFF to set them straight! Go ahead! Rip into these folks!
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With all of the recent hubub about a certain popular preacher SUPPOSEDLY not preaching truth from the Word of God I have wondered about some things. Interestingly, with the lack of scripture at the time of these events, I wonder...
What would have happened to Naman if he hadn't decided to dip in a dirty river seven times? I mean the nerve of the prophet!
What would have happened to the widow lady who served the prophet the last meal that they were planning to cook before dying of starvation? I mean, that selfish profit took their last meal!
What would have happened if those fishermen didn't cast their nets over to the other side, I mean, who had scripture for that???
What would have happened if Noah hadn't built and loaded the ark? A boat??? In the middle of a desert? (Of course, no one but his family listened to HIM)
What would have happened if Daniel would have obeyed King Darius' signed law instead of praying as usual? I mean he WAS breaking the law.
What would have happened if Samuel thought Eli was crazy? Really...to imagine a 7 year old hearing from God? Where was scripture for that??
And, who, just WHO would think that marching around a city would cause its walls to fall down?? I KNOW that the leader of the Israelites once previously commanded the sun to stand still, but, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTURE that supports the destruction of brick and mortar by marching around it for seven days.
Good thing these people have good ole AFF to set them straight! Go ahead! Rip into these folks!
Wow! In other words he is saying we don't need bible. We just need to "hear from God" which is what the Pope claims to have been doing for centuries.
Shocking! So Jekyll is not sola scriptura. The sole rule of faith is not the word of God but the word of God plus whomever he believes is a prophet and hears something not found in the bible. I said it before...this magic hair stuff if not stopped leads to more heresy
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Wow! In other words he is saying we don't need bible. We just need to "hear from God" which is what the Pope claims to have been doing for centuries.
Shocking! So Jekyll is not sola scriptura. The sole rule of faith is not the word of God but the word of God plus whomever he believes is a prophet and hears something not found in the bible. I said it before...this magic hair stuff if not stopped leads to more heresy
How?
Are you wavering in your belief system?
People will believe what they want to believe.
I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Trinity doctrine is false & heresy.
So is easy believism, not to mention greasy grace.
Now has that stopped those doctrines from being propagated???
Jekyll just proved it. He is making an argument that not everything we need for doctrine is found in the bible.
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Are you wavering in your belief system?
no, why? I don't believe in magic hair
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People will believe what they want to believe.
People will also eat food, breath air and go to the bathroom, it's rather redundant to point out the obvious
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I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Trinity doctrine is false & heresy.
ok...how does that have anything to do with me?
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So is easy believism, not to mention greasy grace.
Or that?
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Now has that stopped those doctrines from being propagated???
huh? You must not be grasping what I am saying. Nobody is talking about stopping a doctrine from being propagated. I am saying allowing certain heretical doctrines to co-exist in our movement will spawn OTHER heretical things such as Jekyll's polemic here which implies we don't have to get everything from the bible...we can have a prophet hear from God and get a new doctrine
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We are to preach truth!
That is nice....what does that have to do with anything?
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Can't people see that?
Yah...but apparently some of us are preaching something we like to call magic hair doctrine and I say that is not preaching truth. And if we don't stop it I believe it can just gender more false doctrines
We also put a stop to the heavenly flesh heresy or at least addressed it as it should...why? Why do you supposed they felt it important to address it? Why did Daniel Segraves publish a book and the Herald print his article against it if these false teachings are not dangerous?
They are dangerous to our movement.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Jekyll just proved it. He is making an argument that not everything we need for doctrine is found in the bible.
no, why? I don't believe in magic hair
People will also eat food, breath air and go to the bathroom, it's rather redundant to point out the obvious
ok...how does that have anything to do with me?
Or that?
huh? You must not be grasping what I am saying. Nobody is talking about stopping a doctrine from being propagated. I am saying allowing certain heretical doctrines to co-exist in our movement will spawn OTHER heretical things such as Jekyll's polemic here which implies we don't have to get everything from the bible...we can have a prophet hear from God and get a new doctrine
That is nice....what does that have to do with anything?
Yah...but apparently some of us are preaching something we like to call magic hair doctrine and I say that is not preaching truth. And if we don't stop it I believe it can just gender more false doctrines
I think it is all a tempest in a tea pot myself.
And there is divine flesh, & Pastoral dictatorship where every decision is vetted by the Pastor.
It is happening and will probably continue to happen.
I don't get worked up about it.
There are enough battles to fight, then to simply self destruct as a movement.
BTW isn't this another way for jekyll to say 'I can't defend my magic hair doctrine from bible"?
I was shocked with Jekyll's post as well, and, Yes, it sounds like he 's saying revelation trumps the word of God. So LS is not perfect and doesn't have a corner on the market of truth? why make outrageous excuses for him by coming up with this type of argument?
Or is it okay for someone who is considered a prophet to add to the words of the Lord?
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I think I understand what Bro. Jekyll is trying to say here, but I see a fundamental flaw in his reasoning. In times past, God spoke to His people through the mouths of the prophets. True, there was no Scriptual precedence at the time, so they (the prophets) spoke to the people by direct revelation. Today, however, God speaks to His Church through His Word. This isn't to say that there is no direct revelation today, but rather that "direct revelation" must always align with the Word of God. It is a dangerous road on which we travel when we recieve "truth" by revelation that isn't aligned with the Word. When this happens, "truth" becomes a hodge-podge of revelations that often lead us away from truth rather than to the truth. Jesus is THE revelation of God. I do believe in prophets today as much as I believe in pastors, but true prophets of God speak "Thus saith the Lord". They only serve to confirm what is written in the Word.
It doesn't matter who the "prophet" is. He may be gifted with a ministry of signs and wonders, and his prophecies may be fulfilled. But, if his message isn't biblical- based squarely of the Word, it cannot be of God. If that message was given by an angel, it cannot be true unless it fits jointly with the Word of God.
[B]Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Hbr 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hbr 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
We had a poster here on AFF awhile back that I believe to be a true prophet of God. I have never met him, and know very little about him, but, when he posted, I "heard" the Word of the Lord thru his writings. I never saw him give out a word of prophecy, never had direct knowledge that any prophecy he ever spoke came to pass or not... but when he wrote, I believe he wrote the Word of the Lord. His "message" was aligned with the Word. Sadly, as true with the prophets of old, he wasn't very popular and few "heard" his message. Many enjoyed his postings, but few heard the message. As far as I know, he no longer posts here... and it is our loss. I'm reminded of what Jesus said: Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. We often hear the voice, we just can't hear the Word.
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"Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him...." -Psa. 37:7
Waiting for the Lord is easy... Waiting patiently? Not so much.
In case it isn't obvious, it's that you cannot tell if it's from God. No matter how loudly you say "I know it was God", you don't. If it lines up with the Word, it doesn't prove it was from God. If it's a prediction, and it comes true, that doesn't prove it was from God.
Nothing can prove it.
So what, you say? So what?? You don't think it's a serious matter to think you heard God speak specifically to you, when it could just as easily have been a random thought, or a desire, or a hunch? Or a demon?
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In case it isn't obvious, it's that you cannot tell if it's from God. No matter how loudly you say "I know it was God", you don't. If it lines up with the Word, it doesn't prove it was from God. If it's a prediction, and it comes true, that doesn't prove it was from God.
Nothing can prove it.
So what, you say? So what?? You don't think it's a serious matter to think you heard God speak specifically to you, when it could just as easily have been a random thought, or a desire, or a hunch? Or a demon?
You're right, nothing can be proven, except for the fact that Jhn 10 tells us we can, and we do, KNOW His voice.
To me, and this is my own personal opinion, a prophecy given out, or a prediction, means absolutely nothing. Nostradomus or Jeanne Dixon was made famous by their predictions and prophecies. But, God's sheep do not follow them because God's Sheep know His Voice and follow Him. Whether a prophecy is fulfilled or not isn't necessarily a sign of a prophet of the Lord- it is the content of their message that proves their office as prophet. Fulfilled prophecy lend credence to the annointing that rests upon the prophet, but it is their message that validates the ministry of the prophet . And, if we are truly God's sheep, we will hear, not their voice, but the Word that speaks through them.
Jhn 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Jhn 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
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"Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him...." -Psa. 37:7
Waiting for the Lord is easy... Waiting patiently? Not so much.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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