Revising Pentecostal history: 1908-1912 - Page 26

Evang.Benincasa · #**251** 05-21-2015, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I have researched several sources tonight all of them state she became convinced tongues was only one of the evidences of HGB but did maintain her experience until she died.

Elder, I remember seeing that she renounced tongues in the Fudge book. Whether she did or not I personally don't know. The Thomas Fudge book was the only source that I can remember.

Steve Epley · #**252** 05-22-2015, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Elder, I remember seeing that she renounced tongues in the Fudge book. Whether she did or not I personally don't know. The Thomas Fudge book was the only source that I can remember.

I do know some of Fudge's stuff was disputed to some degree on other topics. The research I did last night I couldn't find anything to verify that. It could be he misunderstood what she did say? Her saying tongues is not the initial evidence may have been his conclusion?

Evang.Benincasa · #**253** 05-22-2015, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do know some of Fudge's stuff was disputed to some degree on other topics. The research I did last night I couldn't find anything to verify that. It could be he misunderstood what she did say? Her saying tongues is not the initial evidence may have been his conclusion?

Elder, I am definitely no fan of the book, or Thomas Fudge. As you read the book you can see how his attitude changes, maybe due to some offence towards those who banned him from archival records in Hazelwood. So, as you point out some of Fudge's information is disputed, as the Agnes Ozman quote, one would have to check the footnote, find the source of the quote, then check the credibility of the source. Again, the Thomas Fudge book was the only source I know of which records Agnes Ozman renouncing her experience.

navygoat1998 · #**254** 05-22-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The research I did tonight said she became convinced tongues was only a evidence like F. F. Bosworth and William Branham believed. But still maintained her experience as genuine.

I am not sure but I think that F. F. Bosworth fell away from the Assemblies of God over the initial evidence doctrine.

Steve Epley · #**255** 05-22-2015, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998

I am not sure but I think that F. F. Bosworth fell away from the Assemblies of God over the initial evidence doctrine.

True he was excommunicated over it. He influenced Branham.

Esaias · #**256** 05-22-2015, 11:29 PM

Bosworth believed several things that would get a man thrown out of most denominations...

About Agnes, here's what Wikipedia currently says:

Writing in The Latter Rain Evangel of January 1909 she wrote, "Some time ago I tried but failed to have an article printed which I wrote calling attention to what I am sure God showed me was error. The article maintained that tongues was not the only evidence of the Spirit’s Baptism. When that article was refused I was much tempted by Satan, but God again graciously showed me He had revealed it to me, and satisfied my heart in praying that He might reveal this truth to others who would spread it abroad. For awhile [sic] after the baptism I got into spiritual darkness, because I did as I see so many others are doing these days, rested and reveled in tongues and other demonstrations instead of resting alone in God.”[

Evang.Benincasa · #**257** 05-23-2015, 01:14 AM

"When The Latter Rain First Fell: The First One to Speak in Tongues". In The Latter Rain Evangel, January 1909, p.2. Available online at

http://pentecostalarchives.org/digit...HC/1909_01.pdf

Scott Pitta · #**258** 05-23-2015, 11:43 AM

Fudge wrote one interesting book. I also read his book about CBC.

We never discussed or were aware of any of the issues that he discusses in his books.

Jason B · #**259** 05-23-2015, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Jason,

As I am reading these posts I am listening to Paltalk.com. In the Christian section there are usually 60-70 rooms going on most of then ran by Evangelicals. Even as I am writing I am hearing them condemn to Hell whoever is not Evangelical.

If any religous group could be called out for "sectarianism" it would be them. Just as you perceive Oneness people judging Trins into Hell over the deity of Christ I hear it constantly not just over Oneness but over anything that does not confess the Trinity.

You are correct about this. For the most part trinitarians are more than willing to condemn all Oneness people to hell without any desire to actually understand oneness or accurately portray their beliefs.