Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

[mfblume]

[QUOTE=shazeep;1372649]Yes, go then, and be the messenger of judgement. Forget about all that "encourage one another" tripe.[/quipote]
I don't forget about none of it. Sorry, men will hate us for His sake. He said so Himself.

As to the first, what i am saying is that Scripture is once again verified (and vilified, hmm), in dividing hearts, and revealing premises. You have found what you have sought.

That's a hypocritical statement of judgment. You are judging my heart and saying I have not sought what God had for me to seek, but sought what I wanted to seek.

I won't waste my time any more if you're that hypocritical.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, you miss the point that they may be lost, i don't know--that is for you OPs, obviously, to decide. I'm sure it's a doubly heavy burden for you, what with that cross on the other shoulder and all... yikes

Jesus is just so lucky to have you guys. Oh, thank You, Lord, that you have sent someone to point out Your Divine Condemnation to us, and to guide us in the Perfect Procedures by which we might grope our way toward you (neverminding that little kids already get it), to discover that wondrous baptism (no, not his way, or their way, but MY way; you'll have to redux it!)

Originally Posted by shazeep

can't disagree with that. I would say that there is a spiritual meaning to this, and accepting Christ with your mouth doesn't really get the job done, at least imo, but whatever. The Qur'an agrees with you, very plainly. And, i see a sea of people, all crying "Lord, Lord," who seem to be agreeing with you as well.

i might suggest--being as how they live on the other side of the planet, and your chief interaction with them is to sell their radicals and figureheads vast amounts of weaponry--that you consider the plight of the Christian; in oh, Baltimore, say. Whatever.

As evidenced by your other posts that verge on the inane and mockery, you don't really have any valid point with regards to the actual topic

The bible is emphatically clear as to WHO and HOW anyone can be saved and it is strictly through Jesus, not Muhammad nor Buddha.

No amount of obfuscation, appeal to emotions, mockery or absurd comments will change that

Why don't you go appeal to the Muslims who believe everyone but them is condemned to hell that way?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No they do not. If they did would they seek to convert us?

Oh I know they do not, and I would like Shaz to answer this quote from his Qur'an. He and the Islam Walker are quick to point fingers at us...what about this, Shaz?

"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Qur'an 48:29).

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by jfrog

When was the photo in question actually posted?

I looked back and it seems to have been in august 2013.

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According to you there were some actual photos of the august 2013 service posted in june 2014 (and possibly just a few weeks after the "fake" photo was posted judging from your previous psosts).

When was the fake picture finally discovered?

I looked back and it appears it was in 2015.

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So it appears the timeline i've been looking for is:

August 2013 a misleading photo is posted of a service that wasn't Wilsons
Sept 2013 actual photos of Wilson's services are posted.
April (?) 2015 it was discovered the photo was a "fake"
Post dicovery of the "fake" photo there were explanations and apologizes given.

So far this narrative sounds good. It lines up with most of the details I'm getting, except:

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According to Walks In Islam this photo was used in an anniversary video and captioned another place as a photo of his bible study at the UN.

Has there been any explanation as to why this photo came up in multiple other places after actual photos of the events were taken and why it's true origin still remained undisclosed?

Frog your timeline seems accurate except that the first record of a real picture of a real service was posted in June, 2014, almost a year after the borrowed picture of the first service was posted in August, 2013.

There were no real photos posted a "few weeks after" the original photo, unless "a few weeks" means 8-9 months.

Why it was used in November, 2014 in the church anniversary video seems to be a mistake possibly because the "borrowed" picture was left on the church website (lol until a few days ago) and it was probably picked off the website and added to the video simply because whoever made the video wasn't aware at the time the video was made that it was not a picture of a real service and was not related to the church.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What is this? Are you saying we cannot know what the scriptures really state, and therefore cannot repeat what they state lest we be judges?

If you get a letter in the mail stating the judge sentenced you as guilty, is the letter the judge? All we are doing is relaying what the BIBLE judged. We're not judges. We are messengers of the judgment passed.

Are any of us qualified to determine if a message is prophetic and name someone a Prophet?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Barb

Oh I know they do not, and I would like Shaz to answer this quote from his Qur'an. He and the Islam Walker are quick to point fingers at us...what about this, Shaz?

"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Qur'an 48:29).

“Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” Quran 2:62

The Quran does not define you or other Christians as unbelievers - as you define Muslims. You are cast, according to the Quran, according to your conduct. Just as you will be judged, according to several references in your bible, according to your deeds.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

“Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” Quran 2:62

The Quran does not define you or other Christians as unbelievers - as you define Muslims. You are cast, according to the Quran, according to your conduct. Just as you will be judged, according to several references in your bible, according to your deeds.

Walks, "Mohammed is God's apostle." I do NOT believe this nor do I believe that Allah is god. SO that makes me an unbeliever, according to the Qur'an.

"Those who follow him (Mohammed) are harsh to the unbelievers (that would be me) but merciful to one another (Muslims)."

The Qur'an may not specifically call Jews and Christians out as unbelievers, but common sense dictates that this is so.

[Esaias]

Why does the Koran then teach that there are three ways to God, and not ONE?

If God is ONE (he is) then his Way is ONE, is it not?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why does the Koran then teach that there are three ways to God, and not ONE?

If God is ONE (he is) then his Way is ONE, is it not?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why does the Koran then teach that there are three ways to God, and not ONE?

If God is ONE (he is) then his Way is ONE, is it not?

The Quran and Islam do not teach many ways to God.

The Quran teaches that there is One God, not shared with any other
The Quran teaches that these things are mandatory:

Verbally declare that there is One God and (for Muslims only) Mohammed is a messenger
Prayer
Fasting
Zakat (charity)

I contend that Jesus taught nothing different and I completely reject the idea that everyone between the rise of the Roman Church and Azusa street "went to hell". I also believe that based on the condition of Christianity at the time of development of the Quran and the condition of the chirch today that the church turned away from what they were supposed to do and how they were supposed to conduct themselves and God picked the most backwards and ignorant group of people possible to clarify it.
All Muslims believe in Jesus. It is not enough to believe in Jesus and there is not a magic salvation formula. Conduct and what is due God is spelled out and it is clearly stated in both books that all men will be judged not by what they believed or how they looked but by their deeds. This is contradictory to following a magic formula which magically conveys the right to judge and condemn others. It is not contradictory to every single person declared righteous by God in every single book.