Lee Stoneking Addresses UN

[shazeep]

So you say. If one feels qualified to pass judgement on others, having studied Scripture, who am i to say they are wrong?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

So you say. If one feels qualified to pass judgement on others, having studied Scripture, who am i to say they are wrong?

What is this? Are you saying we cannot know what the scriptures really state, and therefore cannot repeat what they state lest we be judges?

If you get a letter in the mail stating the judge sentenced you as guilty, is the letter the judge? All we are doing is relaying what the BIBLE judged. We're not judges. We are messengers of the judgment passed.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

And yet Christ seemed very plain, @ Neither do I condemn you.

You misunderstand condemnation and conviction. Saying someone is lost if they do not follow the plan of salvation is relating the conviction God already passed.

Joh 3:18 KJV He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Those are His words!

If I tell someone they are lost except the accept and apply the work of the cross to their lives, and they do not believe, they are condemned already. I never condemned them. Wherever you got the condemnation concept you carry with you, it's off-the-wall wrong.

but i never asked if all Muslims were lost or not, Mr Blume; i am aware that humans are not qualified to answer this question. I was responding to the stated declaration that all Muslims were lost.

What in the world is the difference? All muslims are lost. Period. If they die as muslims, they're lost. While they live as Muslims they're lost. He that believeth not is condemned already.

There is no condemnation in Christ. If you wanna talk about the Bible at me anymore, talk about this. Reconcile to me how you might be in Christ, and condemning of anyone else.

You don't know what that passage is stating. You misinterpreted it. Paul is talking about he condemnation of a CHRISTIAN who cannot serve God without failing, if you follow the context of Chapter 7.

[Esaias]

"If you say people are lost then you are lost!"

lol

Another "you have to accept everybody and love everybody and if you disagree with me you are scum" type.

So open minded there's nothing between the ears. So full of love they'd burn you at the stake. A "true follower of Jesus would never say others need to follow Jesus" type... unless they say "follow Jesus by not doing what he actually said as long as you don't tell others to follow Jesus".

The kind of person who just makes up whatever they want out of their own imagination, and calls it the revealed will of "God"... and becomes a true believer in their personal made up religion, condemning anyone as deceived and evil who doesn't bow to their little idol every time they toot their little horn.

A person who condemns people as not being right with God who say people are not right with God (ie a hypocrite).

The product of modern ANTICHRIST "education", denying reason while claiming to be reasonable, preaching death to any who don't preach " toleration" and "acceptance", one who has mastered the skill of doublethink quite well. Pontificator who interdicts and excommunicates all who pontificate, excepting himself. Quite the pope, actually.

Sad. But typical.


Shaz, take a number and get in line. You're proving to be just another typical dime-a-dozen moral relativist. The PTBs have trained you well as a humanist.

Or you are a bot. Which might explain some things.

[mfblume]

"If you say people are lost then you are lost!"

Well, if you say people who do not consciously accept the work of the cross in this life will be saved, you are decieved. Universalism is from the pit. But that would mean I cannot be lost for saying people are lost. lol Anyone care for a nice, hot cup of Confusion???

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by n david

Name one lie Stoneking has told.

He didn't lie about the obl wives, someone else did.
He didn't lie about what he read regarding the voices from hell.

What lie has he told?

God will anoint whomever He wills. You don't have a say in the matter.

I guess Peter was perfect, oh wait, he's the guy who denied Christ and cursed when he did so.

Jesus gave His authority and power to anyone who takes on His Name and is filled with His Spirit.



I don't worship Stoneking, but I believe the Bible. I believe those who have the Name of Jesus and are filled with His Spirit have His authority and power.

What did your dead prophet give you?

Holy magic hair doctrine is a lie
OBL 40 wives is a lie

I do not know anything about the miners. If he preached that, then that was also a lie.

Who cares about what context they were told? They were untrue, and he proclaimed them across a pulpit.

God does anoint whoever He wills. Those who God anoints can be detected by what they say under His anointing. When they tell fantastic untrue stories, or make up their own "doctrines", then they are not anointed.

LS is not Peter. Peter did not teach over a pulpit that his denial of Jesus was "God's anointed message". The analogy between Stoneking and Peter that you keep making is not even close. It is just an example of elevating a man while dismissing and excusing his faulty message(s). Stop worshipping this man already.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I did not respond to any post you made. So, nothing I said was a comment on what scripture Scripture you quoted. I spoke a generality of the Muslim religion being focused on the outward.

I was unsure, hence the question.

An ironic statement in the middle of a room full of people who hang salvation on shirt sleeves, skirts, length of the sideburn relative to the middle of the ear, placement of the hair relative to the back of the collar, presence of split ends, and preference for the internet over the TV.

Ironic indeed.

[n david]

Here I was hoping you gave up and left for good.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Holy magic hair doctrine is a lie

I disagree Stoneking on HMH, but it's not a lie, it's a belief he has. He interprets a verse of scripture a certain way. That's not the same as lying.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

OBL 40 wives is a lie

Get over the obl wives tale. He didn't lie. He repeated something which was told him by someone he knows and trusted was telling him the truth.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I do not know anything about the miners. If he preached that, then that was also a lie.

Again, he didn't claim it. He read what many people read and believed it to be true. That's not a lie.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Who cares about what context they were told? They were untrue, and he proclaimed them across a pulpit.

He didn't know they were untrue! I hope you've never once in your life believed and repeated something which was told to you, or read something which turned out to be false. If so, by your warped definition, that makes you a liar.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

God does anoint whoever He wills. Those who God anoints can be detected by what they say under His anointing. When they tell fantastic untrue stories, or make up their own "doctrines", then they are not anointed.

You should read the Bible. Even some men who sinned against God were anointed.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

LS is not Peter.

Glad you cleared that up. That is the truest thing you've posted on here. It stands alone, but still.

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Peter did not teach over a pulpit that his denial of Jesus was "God's anointed message". The analogy between Stoneking and Peter that you keep making is not even close. It is just an example of elevating a man while dismissing and excusing his faulty message(s). Stop worshipping this man already.

You've completely missed the point. You expect, demand even, that these ministers be perfect and never have a bad day, repeat a false report or use a stock photo in order to be anointed. God doesn't. Peter wasn't perfect, yet God used him to preach on the Day of Pentecost.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by n david

Here I was hoping you gave up and left for good.


I disagree Stoneking on HMH, but it's not a lie, it's a belief he has. He interprets a verse of scripture a certain way. That's not the same as lying.


Get over the obl wives tale. He didn't lie. He repeated something which was told him by someone he knows and trusted was telling him the truth.


Again, he didn't claim it. He read what many people read and believed it to be true. That's not a lie.


He didn't know they were untrue! I hope you've never once in your life believed and repeated something which was told to you, or read something which turned out to be false. If so, by your warped definition, that makes you a liar.


You should read the Bible. Even some men who sinned against God were anointed.


Glad you cleared that up. That is the truest thing you've posted on here. It stands alone, but still.


You've completely missed the point. You expect, demand even, that these ministers be perfect and never have a bad day, repeat a false report or use a stock photo in order to be anointed. God doesn't. Peter wasn't perfect, yet God used him to preach on the Day of Pentecost.

It is you who demand that the man be accepted regardless of the message. This is declined. Sorry.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Thinker

It was a over site he said he sees it was not wise
Why would he want to deceive when he had pictures of his august 2013 service????
he posted them in june 2014 on Instagram an there was no attack or even questions.

When was the photo in question actually posted?

I looked back and it seems to have been in august 2013.

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According to you there were some actual photos of the august 2013 service posted in june 2014 (and possibly just a few weeks after the "fake" photo was posted judging from your previous psosts).

When was the fake picture finally discovered?

I looked back and it appears it was in 2015.

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So it appears the timeline i've been looking for is:

August 2013 a misleading photo is posted of a service that wasn't Wilsons
Sept 2013 actual photos of Wilson's services are posted.
April (?) 2015 it was discovered the photo was a "fake"
Post dicovery of the "fake" photo there were explanations and apologizes given.

So far this narrative sounds good. It lines up with most of the details I'm getting, except:

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According to Walks In Islam this photo was used in an anniversary video and captioned another place as a photo of his bible study at the UN.

Has there been any explanation as to why this photo came up in multiple other places after actual photos of the events were taken and why it's true origin still remained undisclosed?

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I already backed up what I said. I pasted tweets, facebook posts, and a clipped picture from the church anniversary video that are posting a photo taken from a 2009 event and captioning that photo as a UN bible study in 2013 and have declared those posts of that picture with that caption as a lie. So you found some later truthful posts? Bully for you. The posts and pictures you found have nothing to do with the posts and pictures that I declare to be misleading.

BUT: I said they are both deceivers. Don't forget Art Wilson's cadaver-looking running buddy with the magical missing hair and imaginary Osama wife converts and don't leave him out of the discussion.

Art Wilson's "borrowed" photo was used from Aug, 2013 until Nov, 2014 and were on his church website under caption "UN building first bible study". These "borrowed" photos were exposed on April 25, 2015.

Unless you have something, anything, and you do not, that in writing between August, 2013 and April 25, 2015 implies or states that these photos are not Art Wilson's actual service, then I say they were being deliberately used to mislead.

Any correction after April 25, 2015 is just damage control. All liars do that when they get caught.

You unfortunately are just a bleating sheeple so other than pity I really don't have anything else to say to you.