A Cult vs. A Church

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

There is no one on earth who is holy, perfect, and pure!........ and this you can take to the bank

On the other hand, He who is in us is Holy, Perfect, Pure, is available to be completely formed in us (the Body of Christ on earth) providing we learn the truth of the doctrines of the foundation of Christ in us as listed in He.6;1-2. Without us assimilating the truth of these doctrines Christ cannot be formed in us.

Unfortunately, if what we learn about these foundational doctrines of Christ in us is not the truth, the spirit who is guiding us is not Christ in us but an impostor appearing as Christ in us as prophesied by Paul.

What Christians need to be able to do is allow Christ in us to become us. However, for this to happen we (the spirit of man AKA Adam in us ) needs to die before the fulness of the Spirit of Christ can be formed in us. Otherwise, all we will have in us is Christ the seed, instead of what we need to have in us that is Christ the full grown tree of life in us

This is easier said then done because the only thing that can displace the darkness of sin in us is the presence of the truth of He who has no sin in us.

Consequently, if a Christian is believing in the false doctrines of the foundation of Christ in us as taught in most of todays churches, it is not Christ in them who is guiding them day in and day out, but an impostor sent by Satan to fool them so they do his will and not the Will of God in the churches who claim His Name.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

There is no one on earth who is holy, perfect, and pure

i'm curious how you know this? I ask because i always wondered if there is not some Melchizedek on earth somewhere, more or less at all times; possibly just for "a witness"--not to argue your basic premise here.

[Livelystone]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i'm curious how you know this? I ask because i always wondered if there is not some Melchizedek on earth somewhere, more or less at all times; possibly just for "a witness"--not to argue your basic premise here.

I am only referring to present day humans........ angelic beings (including saints who have already crossed over to the next life) appearing in human form may well qualify as being perfect. This is because they do not have the "law of sin" (Ro.7:23) living in them that was passed down to them from Adam.

On the other hand all of us still mortal Christians have this 'sin unto death' still within our bodies that makes the "spirit of man" an unclean spirit.

The good news IMO is there will be a time of a final cleansing for some of us

[Esphes45]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

There is no one on earth who is holy, perfect, and pure!........ and this you can take to the bank

From experience of dealing with "saved" folks I totally agree with you BUT you know you just contradicted a whole chapter of the bible. Romans 6. If we are to believe that "perfection" is the absence of sin.

On the other hand, He who is in us is Holy, Perfect, Pure, is available to be completely formed in us (the Body of Christ on earth) providing we learn the truth of the doctrines of the foundation of Christ in us as listed in He.6;1-2. Without us assimilating the truth of these doctrines Christ cannot be formed in us.

Unfortunately, if what we learn about these foundational doctrines of Christ in us is not the truth, the spirit who is guiding us is not Christ in us but an impostor appearing as Christ in us as prophesied by Paul.

What Christians need to be able to do is allow Christ in us to become us. However, for this to happen we (the spirit of man AKA Adam in us ) needs to die before the fulness of the Spirit of Christ can be formed in us. Otherwise, all we will have in us is Christ the seed, instead of what we need to have in us that is Christ the full grown tree of life in us

This is easier said then done because the only thing that can displace the darkness of sin in us is the presence of the truth of He who has no sin in us.

Consequently, if a Christian is believing in the false doctrines of the foundation of Christ in us as taught in most of todays churches, it is not Christ in them who is guiding them day in and day out, but an impostor sent by Satan to fool them so they do his will and not the Will of God in the churches who claim His Name.

No argument from me.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Livelystone

I am only referring to present day humans........ angelic beings (including saints who have already crossed over to the next life) appearing in human form may well qualify as being perfect. This is because they do not have the "law of sin" (Ro.7:23) living in them that was passed down to them from Adam.
On the other hand all of us still mortal Christians have this 'sin unto death' still within our bodies that makes the "spirit of man" an unclean spirit.
The good news IMO is there will be a time of a final cleansing for some of us

You missed the mark.

Unless you are speaking of the unregenerated man. Then, the spirit of man who is
without God's Spirit cannot be "...transformed by the renewing of your mind...".
It takes a FREE spirit for "... bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience
of Christ." The carnal mind cannot do so, for it is "...enmity against God: for it is not
subject to the law of god, neither indeed can be."

The Church is perfect, holy, and pure because of grace residing in her.