Deep Apostolic Teachers?

[Steve Epley]

Some folks were born mad and have perfected it in time.

[Sean]

I know this is a big joke to all of you tithe teachers, but the reality is....when you die, you will go to hell. The Lord does not give folks the holy Ghost to vindicate their beliefs, but to lead them out of false doctrine. If you dont see it now, the Lord will not allow you into heaven for teaching your heresy. I have noticed that there is NO rebuttal on your part, just scoffing. That is a sign of your false doctrine being acknowledged by yourselves. You know that tithing is false doctrine and you just dont care. This is not about me....this is going to cost you eternity without God.

You guys have done business with Satan all of your Christian lives and whenever you die, you will follow him to a place of torment.


There is no place for heretical teachers in heaven. You better fix it while you are on earth.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Some folks were born mad and have perfected it in time.

Sir, albeit I mean no disrespect, I must tell you that every time I read one of your posts I am reminded of this God-inspired question tendered by Paul:

" ... what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?" (I Corinthians 14:6, KJV).

And so I ask you: In what manner might one construe your disparaging and belittling remarks as "edifying" (pls read the final statement of I Corinthians 14:26, KJV).

All things considered, is not this thread's focus supposed to be a discussion about "Deep Apostolic Teachers"? With this in mind, then I feel compelled to say to you that your statement is not only not very "deep," but indeed, must be construed as quite "shallow," not to mention, non-related.

Now, having stated this, I shall await your "edifying" response.

Just saying.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jason if you had been following my absurd posts you would have realized it was tongue in cheek. some folks have little or no sense of humor and others just don't have any sense.

If you didn't have a well deserved reputation for condemning people to hell perhaps I would have let it go. But regardless of if it was TIC you doubtless believe those who don't tithe are going to hell (correct me if I'm wrong).

I enjoy joking around but not about people going to hell. If that's humorous to you, carry on.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Amen!

Step away from the pom poms

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Sean

I know this is a big joke to all of you tithe teachers, but the reality is....when you die, you will go to hell. The Lord does not give folks the holy Ghost to vindicate their beliefs, but to lead them out of false doctrine. If you dont see it now, the Lord will not allow you into heaven for teaching your heresy. I have noticed that there is NO rebuttal on your part, just scoffing. That is a sign of your false doctrine being acknowledged by yourselves. You know that tithing is false doctrine and you just dont care. This is not about me....this is going to cost you eternity without God.

You guys have done business with Satan all of your Christian lives and whenever you die, you will follow him to a place of torment.

There is no place for heretical teachers in heaven. You better fix it while you are on earth.

NO.

You're way out of line Sean. Way out.

You have no right to tell people who trust in Christ as their Savior they are going to hell over misunderstanding a doctrine. Will some tithe preachers go to hell? Undoubtedly. Will it be because they were misinformed about tithing? Doubtful. Those who teach the tithe and are lost will likely be so because of greed, covetousness, and the fact they were never regenerated by the Spirit to begin with.

Many people really have little understanding or confidence in the grace of God. Tis not grace to continue in sin or not repent, but His grace will cover our ignorance. We're all wrong about something doctrinally. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ. Not doctrinal accuracy on non essentials.

And you will find few people more vocal than I against tithing. No need for the types of things you're saying Sean.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

NO.

You're way out of line Sean. Way out.

You have no right to tell people who trust in Christ as their Savior they are going to hell over misunderstanding a doctrine. Will some tithe preachers go to hell? Undoubtedly. Will it be because they were misinformed about tithing? Doubtful. Those who teach the tithe and are lost will likely be so because of greed, covetousness, and the fact they were never regenerated by the Spirit to begin with.

Many people really have little understanding or confidence in the grace of God. Tis not grace to continue in sin or not repent, but His grace will cover our ignorance. We're all wrong about something doctrinally. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ. Not doctrinal accuracy on non essentials.

And you will find few people more vocal than I against tithing. No need for the types of things you're saying Sean.

Jason, did Paul teach that grace covers false teaching, or did he go after it and correct it immediately?

False teachers must be reprimanded and after a few warnings, considered HERETICS. I have been debating and admonishing some of then for 18 months now. They need to hear the real truth of what this wretched Catholic doctrine is doing to mankind and their own selves. They are no different than other religions that get the Holy Ghost and CONTINUE in error.

Paul would have cleaned their clock if he were here today.

[Steve Epley]

See.
The bitter brigade.

[Lafon]

Originally Posted by Sean

I know this is a big joke to all of you tithe teachers, but the reality is....when you die, you will go to hell. The Lord does not give folks the holy Ghost to vindicate their beliefs, but to lead them out of false doctrine. If you dont see it now, the Lord will not allow you into heaven for teaching your heresy. I have noticed that there is NO rebuttal on your part, just scoffing. That is a sign of your false doctrine being acknowledged by yourselves. You know that tithing is false doctrine and you just dont care. This is not about me....this is going to cost you eternity without God.

You guys have done business with Satan all of your Christian lives and whenever you die, you will follow him to a place of torment.


There is no place for heretical teachers in heaven. You better fix it while you are on earth.

Sean, my beloved brother, while I have no desire to minimize your belief that compulsory tithing is not an integral element of God's covenant of grace, nevertheless I believe it needful to remind you of these words of admonition:

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things" (see Romans 2:1, KJV).

I reference this particular scriptural passage as a basis for saying this to you:

Unless you have already attained a state of absolute "perfection" in your efforts to "walk" upright in "righteousness" and "holiness" before and with God (and if you're truly honest, then you must admit, as I, that we're just not quite there yet), then I would suggest that you exercise caution, considering your own self and your short-comings before electing to condemn the actions of others with which you might not agree. In this regards I would remind you of our Lord's admonition concerning such:

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye" (see Matthew 7:3-5, KJV).

It is possible to express one's disagreement about a specific aspect of a matter in a way that does not "come across" as condemnation, or appear to present oneself as being the judge of others whose beliefs and actions we may not agree with.

Therefore it is with a profound sense of sadness that I feel compelled to say to you, and this publicly, but with sincerity and loving-kindness ...

Your comments so far concerning "tithing," especially your opposition thereto, has not served to present yourself to others as one who emulates the "righteousness" of God, for even by His own admission, He did not manifest Himself to mankind to condemn, but to reconcile us to Himself.

I encourage you to think on these things.

Just saying

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Lafon

Sean, my beloved brother, while I have no desire to minimize your belief that compulsory tithing is not an integral element of God's covenant of grace, nevertheless I believe it needful to remind you of these words of admonition:

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things" (see Romans 2:1, KJV).

I reference this particular scriptural passage as a basis for saying this to you:

Unless you have already attained a state of absolute "perfection" in your efforts to "walk" upright in "righteousness" and "holiness" before and with God (and if you're truly honest, then you must admit, as I, that we're just not quite there yet), then I would suggest that you exercise caution, considering your own self and your short-comings before electing to condemn the actions of others with which you might not agree. In this regards I would remind you of our Lord's admonition concerning such:

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye" (see Matthew 7:3-5, KJV).

It is possible to express one's disagreement about a specific aspect of a matter in a way that does not "come across" as condemnation, or appear to present oneself as being the judge of others whose beliefs and actions we may not agree with.

Therefore it is with a profound sense of sadness that I feel compelled to say to you, and this publicly, but with sincerity and loving-kindness ...

Your comments so far concerning "tithing," especially your opposition thereto, has not served to present yourself to others as one who emulates the "righteousness" of God, for even by His own admission, He did not manifest Himself to mankind to condemn, but to reconcile us to Himself.

I encourage you to think on these things.

Just saying

Brother, your words are well taken here.

I will tone it down, but I needed to let folks see that there is NO DEBATE regarding the tithing issue. It is a completely man made philosophy that has kept folks out of the kingdom of God and has greatly hindered those that are trying to be saved. Thats the bottom line.

I realize they will never change, but I want the next generation to see these guys miserably fail to make their case and give them the tools to abandon this heresy.

If we can leave anything to our children, the most important thing is truth.