Deep Apostolic Teachers?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sean

Paul here demanded for the Elders to take tithes of the saints....Right?...LOL


28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified. 33 I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel. 34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. 35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.(this is for the Elders to give to the saints)

THIS!

Paul said these things. It is APOSTOLIC DOCTRINE.

Having said that don't forget to give out of a heart of love for God and his work.

And don't say that anything you own is EXCLUSIVLEY YOURS. Rather have all things common.

[Michael The Disciple]

And the fact that DECADES later we would be discussing tithing in a thread about Deep Apostolic Teaching reveals the shallowness of the present day movement.

[Sean]

Typical sinner comes to Jesus these days...

gross salary... 100%

government tax..... 24%
alimony & child support... 50%
tithes......... 10%
offerings...... 5%
soooooo after all the deductions, the typical new convert has 10% of his earnings to live on...to pay rent, gas & electric, water, car payment, auto insurance, health insurance, gas, food....now all of you on the top receiving 10% of everyone's income for life...figure it out...why is it so hard for people to be saved????? One reason is because you have put a price on being saved. SHAME on you!!!

By the way, Epley say's you will go to HELL if you don't pay. What do we love more, money or souls????? You have to be honest and ask yourselves this question. When the message we are preaching is more about money, than loving people & winning a soul for God. We must ask ourselves if our priorities are in the right place.

[shazeep]

no kidding

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Do you have any scripture or proof for that?

well, just Christ's passing comment to...Peter, was it? "If you, being evil, know..."--that one. W/o reading too much into it, it is pertinent here.

[shazeep]

a possible point being that it could be advantageous to look outside established ruts for diamonds in the rough, perhaps

[Sean]

I want to clarify that I do believe in giving. But...some examples of people I personally know...a lady in her 60's, no formal education, working full time at a preschool, raising 3 grandchildren, no money to buy their school clothes or supplies, has to put the "needs" on charge cards....also another precious saint of God is helping raise a couple of her grandchildren, falls on hard times, ends up living in her car for a month..nobody even knew of this until she got up in front of the church & testified how God had made provision for her to get a place to live...these are just a few "real life" situations that I personally know of...it bothers me for them, that some of these pastors are so far removed from "real life" that they hardly know it exist...it reminds me a little of politics...how the rich law makers are making the laws...and us "common" folk are having to pay their "big salaries" for making the laws, that we don't agree with in the first place..I guess I am just fed up with non caring people on the top...that sometimes, it seems the main thing they think about is "money" and not the saints that they are supposed to be a shepherd to...The condemnation that these precious saints feel weekly at offering time is enormous. The pastor is in a 3,000 sq. ft home(BTW)


Are these folks I mentioned "exempt" from having to pay their tithes?

Will they go to hell as Epley says, if they cannot afford it?

[Abiding Now]

I've been a happy tithe payer/offering giver all of my Christian life.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

I've been a happy tithe payer/offering giver all of my Christian life.

That oughta help keep ya from goin to hell, as Epley teaches.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Sean

The Lord has shown me to stand up against the tithing issue in the church as the main heresy that He is sick of. This particular man rose up against me and got me "black listed" in a revival situation we were having. Other situations have occurred similarly in the 2 year span.

I have been praying for years for the Lord to remove whoever it is that knowingly teaches this heresy.

The issue here is tithing, it is the #1 thing on the list of what the Lord Jesus hates taught in the churches.

I would not want to be on the tithe teachers side in the days we live in now.

Never underestimate what the Lord is doing. That is the biggest mistake we can make.

I've been vocal in my opposition of tithing. But to say its the #1 thing on the list that the Lord hates? I find that very difficult to believe.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am enjoying these smitings. Making room for more blessings. funny thing tithing has worked for me for 50 years giving and receiving.

You have been doing it for 50 years, only because Sean has not yet prayed to the Lord to remove you.
But if he gets wind of it, you better start preparing your last will.