yup. I'll postulate that everyone will have to lose the doctrines in order to get their secret name...
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
It is truly pitiful to think young men and women go off to some Bible College and pay thousands of dollars to be taught heresy.
in that vein, I'm kind of surprised that you would seek for expanded knowledge in your own backyard, so to speak? Why limit yourself to _____________ teachers? Especially 'Apostolic,' which wadr must be viewed as at least quite inbred at this point?
Wow, everybody's got their pet doctrines here, don't they.
Yep, but I do not desire or pray to God to kill those who disagree with me.
I think desiring the death of those who differ with our pet doctrines is a worse sin than having a wrong doctrine.
For this is the inner desire for murder, which breaks the Law of loving our neighbors as ourselves. If we love our neighbors as ourselves, would we really desire their death?
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**Original Matthew 28:19 Restored**
I agree with you that tithing is not a practice of the New Covenant Church. The New Covenant Church taught freewill giving and having all things common. They certainly never taught any such thing as a regular paid salary for Preachers.
And just as bad (to me even worse) many Apostolics will bring a new convert in and then tell the men they are unholy because their wearing a beard and the women they commit sin if they ever trim their hair!
But as bad as these things are they are small compared to the foundational errors.
What could be worse for believers than those things already mentioned?
To start the pre trib rapture. Assuring trusting believers they wont have to face the end time persecutions setting them up to fall when it comes knocking on their door.
Then we have the doctrine of "immortal soul". In this preachers do away with the gospel of Jesus Christ. The good news is no longer the resurrection of the dead but rather instant Heaven!
And then since they have ascribed to men to already be immortal they teach the lost will be burning in the flame of Gehenna for millions, no wait, billions, no wait, trillions of years and yet their punishment has hardly even begun!
And as bad as these are perhaps the worse is the doctrine that the Christian need not be perfect to enter the kingdom of Heaven. That even with spots, wrinkles, and blemishes they can still enter! Assuming of course they have been diligent to shave. And if the women have not trimmed their hair. If they have diligently paid their tithes and have been faithful in Church attendance!
All the while Apostolic libs and cons agree that one need not be perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect.
So I do think Jesus is engaging his people on all heretical beliefs. They will one day be corrected probably in the great tribulation before Christ comes. Nonetheless we should be doing what we can to restore the doctrine of Christ in the earth.
I do agree with MTD on this... that while I believe forced tithing is a doctrine that has really hurt the church, there are also other doctrines that have been taught that were not what the apostles taught.
I do believe in supporting the ministry, as Paul certainly taught that, but the standard of "10% or else you are hell bound" kinda teaching, is so wrong. If you want to use 10% as a guideline for giving, fine, but don't make it a heaven/hell issue.
There are other doctrines that are touted as Apostolic as well, as MTD says, that are damaging as well.
Yep, but I do not desire or pray to God to kill those who disagree with me.
I think desiring the death of those who differ with our pet doctrines is a worse sin than having a wrong doctrine.
For this is the inner desire for murder, which breaks the Law of loving our neighbors as ourselves. If we love our neighbors as ourselves, would we really desire their death?
I pray that you have not construed anything that I've stated concerning the difference in opinions between myself and Segraves, to imply or infer that I would pray for God to slay him simply because of that disagreement. If so, then that is absolutely absurd!
I was simply, and only, quoting the explicit words expressed by the Lord Himself concerning any man that would cause a "stumbling-block" (that is what the word "offence" means, you know) to be placed before another, which might cause another of God's chosen people, or many, to place their confidence in that which maketh for a lie (read about the fate of the prophet Hananiah, found recorded in Jeremiah 28, for having committed such a thing).
I intentionally mis-spelled his name, and for this reason:
Seeing that, IMHO, his position concerning "soul sleep" is amiss, and that as such he, being a teacher in several Bible schools, has elected, of his own volition, to take upon himself the burden of indoctrinating many new converts in the elementary principles of the doctrine of Christ, then I am persuaded he fits the "mold" of that man whom our Lord referenced when He said,
"It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! It were better for him that a millstone wee hanged about his neck, and he cast into the SEA, than that he should offend one of these little ones" (Luke 17:1-2, KJV).
Did you get it? "SEA," for that should be his "grave" for placing an "hindrance, a stumbling-block" in the pathway of God's little "lambs" as they seek to "grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" by teaching them that there is no such thing as "soul sleep"!
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Originally Posted by Lafon
I pray that you have not construed anything that I've stated concerning the difference in opinions between myself and Segraves, to imply or infer that I would pray for God to slay him simply because of that disagreement. If so, then that is absolutely absurd!
I was simply, and only, quoting the explicit words expressed by the Lord Himself concerning any man that would cause a "stumbling-block" (that is what the word "offence" means, you know) to be placed before another, which might cause another of God's chosen people, or many, to place their confidence in that which maketh for a lie (read about the fate of the prophet Hananiah, found recorded in Jeremiah 28, for having committed such a thing).
Please explain to us exactly what that verse means. How literal is it to be taken, if at all?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
I pray that you have not construed anything that I've stated concerning the difference in opinions between myself and Segraves, to imply or infer that I would pray for God to slay him simply because of that disagreement. If so, then that is absolutely absurd!
I was simply, and only, quoting the explicit words expressed by the Lord Himself concerning any man that would cause a "stumbling-block" (that is what the word "offence" means, you know) to be placed before another, which might cause another of God's chosen people, or many, to place their confidence in that which maketh for a lie (read about the fate of the prophet Hananiah, found recorded in Jeremiah 28, for having committed such a thing).
This was not directed at you, however I have heard of those who desire the death of those who disagree with them and of some that have even asked God to remove (kill) those who disagree with them.
God knows who is teaching false doctrine and he has warned us to stay away from false teachers, but the desire to kill those who are in error is what led to the many massacres of early Christianity (Christians killing Christians). All in the name of correct (Orthodox) doctrine.
I may disagree with the Trinitarians, Morons, Jehovah's witless and other deluded folks, but I would never once will ask or desire their destruction or even their hurt.
God will remove false teachers in his own time, without any prodding from us.
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**Original Matthew 28:19 Restored**
This was not directed at you, however I have heard of those who desire the death of those who disagree with them and of some that have even asked God to remove (kill) those who disagree with them.
God knows who is teaching false doctrine and he has warned us to stay away from false teachers, but the desire to kill those who are in error is what led to the many massacres of early Christianity (Christians killing Christians). All in the name of correct (Orthodox) doctrine.
I may disagree with the Trinitarians, Morons, Jehovah's witless and other deluded folks, but I would never once will ask or desire their destruction or even their hurt.
God will remove false teachers in his own time, without any prodding from us.
yup. I'll postulate that everyone will have to lose the doctrines in order to get their secret name...
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