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09-13-2014, 08:10 PM
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Re: Deep Apostolic Teachers?
[QUOTE=FlamingZword;1335312]No offense brother, but you need to check some of the meat you eat, it might be a little spoiled.  [/QUOTE
It's all good. The word says if I drink (eat) anything deadly it won't
hurt me!!!
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09-13-2014, 08:15 PM
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Re: Deep Apostolic Teachers?
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Originally Posted by Lafon
Sorry, Mike, I didn't say that Seagraves had "become anti-Pentecostal." What I said was that instead of defending his stated position concerning "soul sleep," which I refuted by way of personal correspondence with him when he was the Dean of Theology at Christian Life College in California (he is now associated with the Urshan School of Theology at Hazelwood, Mo), he replied, recommending that I acquire and study a book written by a defrocked Baptist theologian, which essentially believed as he did about the matter.
I likened Seagraves actions to be similar to advising me to go and consult with the devil to learn the "truth" about "soul sleep"! What Seagraves was not aware of was that I had in my possession a DVD in which the defrocked ex-Baptist theologian accused the UPCI of being cultic, and that "speaking in tongues" was of the devil.
I would have thought that Seagraves, being the learned biblical scholar that he proclaims himself to be, would have been aware of the credentials of the man who wrote the book that he advised me to purchase and study.
This incident happened more than 10 years ago, and I've never listened to a single sermon, or speech concerning Bible doctrines by Seagraves since, nor do I intend to!
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Listen, maybe the reason the man offered you the book was "probably" due to its information which he was discussing with you? Whether or not the Baptist who wrote the book was in good standing or not with the Baptist church wasn't the main concern for offering the book. That's just my opinion, but did you read the book? Or did you just research the author and decide that it wasn't worth your time to read what Brother Seagraves suggested?
Also glad you are doing better. 
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09-13-2014, 08:17 PM
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Re: Deep Apostolic Teachers?
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It's all good. The word says if I drink (eat) anything deadly it won't
hurt me!!!
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You are the overseer of what organization?
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
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09-13-2014, 08:55 PM
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Re: Deep Apostolic Teachers?
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Wow if Seagraves teaches soul sleep he just moved up in my eyes! Good news!
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Sorry (again) Mike, Seagraves doesn't teach "soul sleep," and that's why I refuted him.
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09-13-2014, 09:00 PM
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Re: Deep Apostolic Teachers?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Listen, maybe the reason the man offered you the book was "probably" due to its information which he was discussing with you? Whether or not the Baptist who wrote the book was in good standing or not with the Baptist church wasn't the main concern for offering the book. That's just my opinion, but did you read the book? Or did you just research the author and decide that it wasn't worth your time to read what Brother Seagraves suggested?
Also glad you are doing better. |
I purchased and read the book (its still in my library, in fact), even though I already knew quite a bit about the author before I began the discussion with Seagraves.
Thanks for your concern, but I'm not doing better, its just that some days are better than others. On my good days I try to do a little "net surfing" to keep abreast of things of interest.
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09-13-2014, 09:16 PM
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Re: Deep Apostolic Teachers?
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Originally Posted by Lafon
I purchased and read the book (its still in my library, in fact), even though I already knew quite a bit about the author before I began the discussion with Seagraves.
Thanks for your concern, but I'm not doing better, its just that some days are better than others. On my good days I try to do a little "net surfing" to keep abreast of things of interest.
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Excellent that you took the time to read the book even while knowing the status of the author. Still give Brother Seagraves another chance, I really believe his main point wasn't concerning the author's piety, but just to offer you a book which he felt explained his position better than I guess he could?
Keeping your health in prayer, I hope you feel better. 
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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09-13-2014, 09:23 PM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
You are the overseer of what organization?
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really?
LOL LOL
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09-14-2014, 03:41 AM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: Deep Apostolic Teachers?
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Yea I think he meant it that way. I sound more like Charles Stanly than the stereotype Pentecostal Preacher.
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Didn't Stanly play guitar for KISS?
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09-14-2014, 05:49 AM
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Re: Deep Apostolic Teachers?
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Originally Posted by Lafon
Sorry (again) Mike, Seagraves doesn't teach "soul sleep," and that's why I refuted him.
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Well I thought you said you believed in it so I was confused. So you have more truth than the renown Dr. Seagraves!
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09-14-2014, 07:54 AM
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Re: Deep Apostolic Teachers?
Who may be a deep teacher in one man's eyes may be shallow in another's...
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