This thread was a "yes i do" "no I dont" accounting of the members of the forum. until YOU came along with a gallon of gas and a torch and did violence to the peacful little thread.
talk about hypocrisy.
YOU are the one that devolved this thread and now you run off on a tantrum about how OPs are haters?
the only person here depicting the kind of vitriol you are pointing at other is YOU the advocate of abandoning religion.
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Um, what? I thought he was polite, concise, and accurate. You people are dangerous, and have no clue what damage you do, speaking in general, of course. it can easily be argued that this thread is a self-proclaimed indictment of the religious establishment, and why we are in the shape we are in today. I know this seems harsh, but If My people, who are called by My Name... is represented by you. While i don't mean this as a blanket indictment, if the shoe fits...and hey, your post shows that you appear to be slipping right into it, wadr.
And ps, although i doubt that you would be able to discern it, Christ was a big advocate of losing your religion. Your finale of "blather" sums it up, nicely. Physician, heal thyself.
If such is true, uttering the name of Jesus for any reason then becomes unnecessary.
Jesus is a real, living being, currently in heaven at the right hand of God. It's not enough to just presume that we have the authority represented by His Name. We must exercise that authority by invoking It.
When I baptize people in the name of Jesus Christ, it's not just me uttering a ritualistic phrase or incantation. When I am baptizing someone in the name of Jesus Christ, and I speak the name out loud, I, along with the immersed, am calling on the name of the Lord in faith for the person's salvation, simply because there is salvation in no other Name.
All who CALL upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. This requires using the voice and speaking the Name. The idea that the immerser just pushes a person underwater, saying nothing just doesn't match up to the requirements of Scripture.
When Paul cast the spirit of divination out of the "damsel", he verbally called out and commanded the spirit in the name of the Lord Jesus. He didn't just silently cast out the demon because he had been authorized by the One who bears that Name.
You can do all of those things, but if you tell a person "unless you are baptized with a preacher saying the name Jesus over top of you, you are lost" I think you are wrong and unbiblical.
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Um, what? I thought he was polite, concise, and accurate. You people are dangerous, and have no clue what damage you do, speaking in general, of course. it can easily be argued that this thread is a self-proclaimed indictment of the religious establishment, and why we are in the shape we are in today. I know this seems harsh, but If My people, who are called by My Name... is represented by you. While i don't mean this as a blanket indictment, if the shoe fits...and hey, your post shows that you appear to be slipping right into it, wadr.
And ps, although i doubt that you would be able to discern it, Christ was a big advocate of losing your religion. Your finale of "blather" sums it up, nicely. Physician, heal thyself.
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i did in fact go back and take a look. our friend offered up a nice little cutdown that started the whole thing.
HE tossed the molotov cocktail. did the OP side engage? surely. but lets not kid ourselves. our friend here lit the match then lamented those religious nuts that responded.
you dont get to do both. HE DID BOTH.
you wanna call me dangerous? fine. im not losing sleep. ive got enough posts on this forum and enough history going back to FCF that those who matter know full well that Ive taken as many shots at the ultra-cons as I have those who have moved on to greener pastures.
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This entire Thread is living proof that Religion is a fallacy full of lies, leading people to the bondage of unnatural Laws and arguments that never end. If someone doesn't agree with a particular method of Baptism, they are lost and going to burn in a lake of fire for eternity.
Please, folks, wake up and see the irony of this isolated theory that simply cannot be proven. This type of Theology is wrestled by the mentally challenged who live in the past, where the premise of an idea is based upon unseen, unproven, and illiterate experiences.
In the end, this is why Religion gives the insane a platform, where they can trumpet nothing but deceit and self righteous dogmas that center upon a few who think they've figured it all out. Sad.
If we truly believe in the mercy that seems to be present in Scripture, God can save a man who has NEVER been baptized, NEVER been to Church, and has NEVER agreed with Man and his Religion.
And that, dear misguided soul, is a flat out lie.
Whatever tangent you have went on, after you left pentecost, it has destroyed you.
Carry on.
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amen. Ty, God, that i moved enough to never have the horror stories i have heard. I see now that this gave me a sense of independence that must have been palpable, as i was never subjected to any of that, and all of my even Apo/Pent experiences were positive ones. Surely that is the norm.
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And that, dear misguided soul, is a flat out lie.
Whatever tangent you have went on, after you left pentecost, it has destroyed you.
Carry on.
we have more than one parable that agrees with him; yours seems the misdirected post. I know they stay away from these in divinity school--just as i know that no preacher on this forum is likely to tell a prospective convert "Count the cost," let alone "Every inch of skin will be stripped from you"--but you might do yourself a favor and at least not "lie" to us yourself, when you do not know. See that it is you who might have been deceived; admit you learned all you know from some "Dr of Divinity" or whatever. Are you not aware of the Scriptures about 'men of letters?' Those who cannot do, teach!
I do. And my Pastor teaches holiness standards and lives them before us.
Biblical holiness? Like this:
If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. (Ephesians 4:21-32 KJV)
Or are you referring to the holiness 'dress code' that is taught often instead of true holiness?
amen. Ty, God, that i moved enough to never have the horror stories i have heard. I see now that this gave me a sense of independence that must have been palpable, as i was never subjected to any of that, and all of my even Apo/Pent experiences were positive ones. Surely that is the norm.
we have more than one parable that agrees with him; yours seems the misdirected post. I know they stay away from these in divinity school--just as i know that no preacher on this forum is likely to tell a prospective convert "Count the cost," let alone "Every inch of skin will be stripped from you"--but you might do yourself a favor and at least not "lie" to us yourself, when you do not know. See that it is you who might have been deceived; admit you learned all you know from some "Dr of Divinity" or whatever. Are you not aware of the Scriptures about 'men of letters?' Those who cannot do, teach!
The reply to the out and out lie that I bolded is not a misguided post. He had moved almost into universalism. That is a lying doctrine.
So go back and read the post I highlighted and you will get a better picture of why I said what I said.
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I heartily agree with the bolded part, and i say again that we have Scriptural parables, well-known, that illuminate this concept; as well as several others that contrast it with over-religious lawyer-types, and various other Bible-thumpers who would use Scripture as a weapon. He is not 'lying;' you are accusing, wadr. The Bible truly is a sword, and reveals the premises of those who read it. Understand that i am not speaking specifically, as i don't think it is fair to make judgements based upon forum posts, wherein we debate these things necessarily--i have always known you to be quite accepting, and you are, after all, defending the Word as you see fit.
Please consider that there are surely passages of Scripture that have been misrepresented to you, or poorly represented, and even your preferred translations--like any translations--are written from an agenda, no matter how neutral those assembled thought they might be. Yours were written to favor king-makers, and empire builders. You are a Western Christian. Thus, there are entire realms of spiritual thought closed to you, but available in Scripture; which plainly states, to any with the requisite ears, that many will be accepted who do not conform to the accepted dogma. God judges the heart, does He not? How can we do less? Free yourself, i pray, from this satanic insistence on mouthing the correct words in order to be accepted; and listen to the Spirit speaking in them. There is truly only one way; and holding your mouth right is not it.
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