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07-03-2011, 06:51 PM
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I Am Question
When Jesus says, before Abraham was I Am, what does the original greek have for I Am? Is it the tetragammaton or something else?
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07-03-2011, 07:39 PM
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Re: I Am Question
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
When Jesus says, before Abraham was I Am, what does the original greek have for I Am? Is it the tetragammaton or something else?
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its a general i am, just as i would say i am at the store, this is the same type of i am used in this manner,
This is not a Tetragramaton, or YHWH, the words hear would have been written with the greek translation for the word adonai, which would be lord.
Jesus makes a claim that before abraham was born he existed.
It could be used to refer to exodus as some do, however i would just point out that when writters of the bible used the title or something regarding the Lords name it was always CAPITALIZED to show this.
one of the biggest complaints of a jehovahs witness, is the removale of the name and insertaining of the word Lord or God in the place of the name.
Though i dont agree with there beliefs they do make a point.
Also Jesus used the same word
I am the truth life and way
I am the good shepherd
I am the Light of the world
they are not litterally translated to
YWHW the truth life and way
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07-03-2011, 08:17 PM
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Re: I Am Question
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When Jesus says, before Abraham was I Am, what does the original greek have for I Am? Is it the tetragammaton or something else?
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You need to download e-sword so you can check this stuff out for yourself. Quick, easy and free.
Greek words:
ego eimi
I am.
Simple. Jesus said, "Before Abraham came into being, I existed."
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07-03-2011, 08:59 PM
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Re: I Am Question
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You need to download e-sword so you can check this stuff out for yourself. Quick, easy and free.
Greek words:
ego eimi
I am.
Simple. Jesus said, "Before Abraham came into being, I existed." |
I thought it would be an interesting topic. I have esword and a strongs. just being lazy. sorry.
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07-03-2011, 10:30 PM
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Re: I Am Question
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Greek words:
ego eimi
I am.
Simple. Jesus said, "Before Abraham came into being, I existed."
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yeppers, but not "existed" as in past tense but "I am" as in present tense.
If you are going to use the word "exist" it could be, "Before Abraham came into being, I exist."
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07-03-2011, 10:35 PM
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Re: I Am Question
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You need to download e-sword so you can check this stuff out for yourself. Quick, easy and free.... |
I don't think e-sword works on a Mac.
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07-04-2011, 01:27 AM
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Re: I Am Question
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When Jesus says, before Abraham was I Am, what does the original greek have for I Am? Is it the tetragammaton or something else?
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Ego Eimi
A better translation of the text is "Before Abraham came into existence or being, I exist"
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07-04-2011, 01:30 AM
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Re: I Am Question
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its a general i am, just as i would say i am at the store, this is the same type of i am used in this manner,
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No it is not absolutely not. You could never say with a straight face "Before Abraham Lincoln was born, I exist"
Jesus did not say "I am at the store"..He ended a sentence with "I am" that was in relation to the existence of someone that died hundreds and hundreds of years earlier.
The grammar is saying, before Abraham was even born, Jesus exists, not Jesus existed, but Jesus exists.
That is such an emphatic statement even the Jews got it
Nobody else in the bible made such a statement. The issue is not "I am" the issue is HOW Jesus used the term "I AM"
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-04-2011, 12:02 PM
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Re: I Am Question
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No it is not absolutely not. You could never say with a straight face "Before Abraham Lincoln was born, I exist"
Jesus did not say "I am at the store"..He ended a sentence with "I am" that was in relation to the existence of someone that died hundreds and hundreds of years earlier.
The grammar is saying, before Abraham was even born, Jesus exists, not Jesus existed, but Jesus exists.
That is such an emphatic statement even the Jews got it
Nobody else in the bible made such a statement. The issue is not "I am" the issue is HOW Jesus used the term "I AM"
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07-04-2011, 12:02 PM
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Re: I Am Question
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Ego Eimi
A better translation of the text is "Before Abraham came into existence or being, I exist"
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