Bott '14

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Of course. I'd like to verify it myself. I may even post it to my FB and see if I'm contacted by POA.

Yes, please get involved in that. I'm more interested in Mike Pence running for President.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by n david

What they need to do is add a video at the beginning of Arnold apologizing for his remarks. Don't edit out and try to whitewash his comments, put an apology at the beginning.

Exactly

[MissBrattified]

I don't think either Maxwell OR Stan Gleason deserve to be called idiots. Maxwell has written some of the best books on leadership I've ever read. I haven't read the quote in question or the book that contains it, but I have a feeling it has to do with making pastors take responsibility when their congregations aren't "healthy" instead of pointing fingers at the constituents. That's an important concept for any leader, and deserves exploration at a conference like BOTT.

I do agree with PO that JA's comments aren't shocking, coming from him. Anyone who attends his session deserves to have their ears and sensibilities assaulted, and you either have a sense of humor about it, or you don't.

I don't know where JA is from, but I do know that in some places, that is just *how* people talk. (rough/coarse) After awhile, though, it becomes more of his schtick, being obviously self-aware, than just "who he is." Less authentic, more "showboat", as JA once labelled a certain minister that I know. Nevertheless, I fall into the category of those who would rather let his elders and his God deal with his flaws. I don't know any perfect Christians, and I certainly don't admire the ones who want to blare the flaws of people who love God to the whole world. Maybe it's justified, but it still makes my lip curl a bit. There are better, wiser, more compassionate, more appropriate ways to deal with our brothers and sisters.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I don't think either Maxwell OR Stan Gleason deserve to be called idiots. Maxwell has written some of the best books on leadership I've ever read. I haven't read the quote in question or the book that contains it, but I have a feeling it has to do with making pastors take responsibility when their congregations aren't "healthy" instead of pointing fingers at the constituents. That's an important concept for any leader, and deserves exploration at a conference like BOTT.

You make a good point here. Perhaps Maxwell was referring to the type of minister who doesn't want to take responsibility and perhaps JA was defensive feeling as though it was a broadbrush toward those who have taken responsibility, having done all and stood.

I do agree with PO that JA's comments aren't shocking, coming from him. Anyone who attends his session deserves to have their ears and sensibilities assaulted, and you either have a sense of humor about it, or you don't.

I don't know where JA is from, but I do know that in some places, that is just *how* people talk. (rough/coarse) After awhile, though, it becomes more of his schtick, being obviously self-aware, than just "who he is." Less authentic, more "showboat", as JA once labelled a certain minister that I know. Nevertheless, I fall into the category of those who would rather let his elders and his God deal with his flaws. I don't know any perfect Christians, and I certainly don't admire the ones who want to blare the flaws of people who love God to the whole world. Maybe it's justified, but it still makes my lip curl a bit. There are better, wiser, more compassionate, more appropriate ways to deal with our brothers and sisters.

Do you really curl your lip? I'm practicing that now. No, I never do that.

Agree with the bold!

[shag]

Phil. 4:8?

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

In the late 80s, I was shocked to hear the crudeness JA showed in the pulpit and was surprised that no "elder" ever censured him, but he was lifted up as an example to Pentecost. Now all these years later, the golden boy has embarrassed the very men that should have corrected him. You can almost hear the campmeeting/special service doors slamming. Not rejoicing, but really all in all...sad day for the UPC.

Why doesn't UPCi leadership address this "loose canon" behavior? First LS, now JA... I'm sure there are more.

[Sister Alvear]

Just wondering why LS did not speak at Bott?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Just wondering why LS did not speak at Bott?

He hasn't spoke there in years, maybe a decade or more.

He's speaking for the Ladies Day and the final night at Landmark this year though.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by n david

He hasn't spoke there in years, maybe a decade or more.

He's speaking for the Ladies Day and the final night at Landmark this year though.

He spoke at BOTT in 2008 and 2010 ----- not sure of 2011 or 2012.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

He spoke at BOTT in 2008 and 2010 ----- not sure of 2011 or 2012.

Really? I thought he hadn't been there for a while. Guess I missed the '08 and '10 messages. Thanks for the correction.