Oneness vs Trinity (Can someone give a non-bias)

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes I have over and over and over. Just because you did not understand my explanations does NOT mean I did not explain it. This is why all communications with you and others break down into bickering because you refuse to admit we've answered your questions

The reality is you just don't grasp them mentally for whatever reason.

Your explanations aren't supported by scripture and is inadequate, not addressing the specific issues of the oneness view of the Godhead. You revert to an ever changing mishmash of terms such as deity and humanity and transcendent existence and sometimes Jesus is this and sometimes He's that instead of simply explaining the many inconsistencies of oneness theology.

And I never said the distinction is between Jesus's Deity and Jesus's humanity. As I said before I never said there are two Jesus's. You continue to ignore my words and put words in my mouth instead

I've pointed out in the several posts the conclusions one must reach when a theology teaches that Jesus is God the Father while at the same time the same Jesus is also the Son of God the Father. Simply put, Jesus the Son of God the Father is also coexisting (plurality) with His God and Father, Jesus God the Father. Jesus God the Father is also, at the same time, His own Son, the Son of Himself, Jesus the Son of God the Father. They (plural) interact with each other, loving each other, having separate wills, talking to each other, one greater than the other, and on and on and on.

That's one schizophrenic, multi-personality Jesus or else it's two Jesus' interacting with each other. The typical oneness humanity/deity transcendent existence response isn't addressing the issue.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Do you think the use of "Word" is being used as a synecdoche?

You might say that. The Word is God-in-Action, or God-Revealing-Himself, as opposed to God-Considered-Strictly-As-God-In-The-Abstract.

'Christology' by James Dunn is an excellent study of that very subject. His conclusion is suspect (as he tries to not offend classical creedal trinitarians) but his research is excellent.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by UnTraditional

If Jesus is God the Father manifested in the flesh, why then did He declare that the Father was greater than Him in John 14:28? Also, why then did He pray to the Father, since He was, according to Oneness, the Father? I do not deny the very deity of Christ in no measure, but instead affirm the Son as deity.

Because He (Jesus) was a man. Simple. If God began to exist AS A MAN then he would OF COURSE refer to the Father as 'greater', and would OF COURSE pray to the Father.

Is the Son (second person) LESS in deity than the Father?

Would that not be a contradiction? God is less than God?

[Praxeas]

"Precis" calls me a fool, says he is going to post the video evidence....and disappears for days

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

"Precis" calls me a fool, says he is going to post the video evidence....and disappears for days

I feel privileged to be in good company. He called me a fool as well. (He also emailed me a strong rebuke that was anything but nice. I ended up blocking him).

I also challenged him to produce his evidence. So far he has failed to oblige. I do not believe he can.