I love not being Apostolic!!! - Page 27

not4saken · #**261** 01-30-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

You didn't say that; that just seems to be where these conversations go, generally.

I'm not sure that the opposite is true, though. If a person is visibly ungodly in their outward appearance, behavior and conversation, I believe you can assume the opposite: that they aren't Christian. You know whether someone is a Christian by their fruits; not by them simply declaring it to be true. Simply assessing appearance, leaving out behavior and conversation, would be the least reliable determination, but still...I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that if a woman poses for Playboy, she's not a Christian--even if she claims to be.

For that matter, how immodest does a woman have to be before it crosses the line between Christian and not? It is subjective when you're trying to define modesty from within the church world, but then again, there are extremes that are no-brainers, IMO.

I totally agree.

MissBrattified · #**262** 01-30-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

More or less but I am not against people "doing themselves up!" in any way. For me it is the pure hypocrisy of those who regularly look down on someone who lives much simpler yet is breaking some "holiness standards" rule.

I agree with you there, but here's two things:

1. It's unfair to project that hypocritical or proud attitude onto every woman who is keeping the traditional "holiness standards", and

2. The fact that some women have bad attitudes to go along with their modesty doesn't discredit the concept as a whole.

Michael Phelps · #**263** 01-30-2013, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I agree with you there, but here's two things:

1. It's unfair to project that hypocritical or proud attitude onto every woman who is keeping the traditional "holiness standards", and

2. The fact that some women have bad attitudes to go along with their modesty doesn't discredit the concept as a whole.

Not sure about RW, but I am not projecting my viewpoint onto all Apostolics, just a certain one who is posting on this thread

AreYouReady? · #**264** 01-30-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

Are you kidding me?

Please look at my picture, do some of you think that because my hair is cut that I am going to hell? If so, does it matter why it's cut short?

I haven't gotten to the end of this thread yet, but I have to comment.

I'm pretty sure I understand WHY your hair is cut and NO I don't think you are going to hell because you cut your hair.

not4saken · #**265** 01-30-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by michael phelps

not sure about rw, but i am not projecting my viewpoint onto all apostolics, just a certain one who is posting on this thread

exactly.

RandyWayne · #**266** 01-30-2013, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I agree with you there, but here's two things:

1. It's unfair to project that hypocritical or proud attitude onto every woman who is keeping the traditional "holiness standards", and

2. The fact that some women have bad attitudes to go along with their modesty doesn't discredit the concept as a whole.

Of course I don't think this about ALL apostolic women (and men) or even the majority of them. In fact it may be a very small minority who act the way I've described BUT they also tend to be the squeaky wheels that all eyes turn too and who whisper the loudest about others. All I know is that during my stint in the UPC it felt like I was surrounded by self absorbed people of both sexes who felt they were all that and more because they towed the cloths line yet absolutely scoffed and avoided (while making sure that everyone SAW them avoid so as to showcase their righteousness) anyone who broke even the smallest rule that the pastor set forth (and he set forth many!).

not4saken · #**267** 01-30-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think individuals decide for themselves, based on their understanding of scripture and their relationship with God. Additionally, it's my opinion that it's important to submit to your local church's teachings and guidelines as well as follow your own personal convictions.

Certainly we can't determine what's right by only contrasting ourselves against the secular world; so how do you think we determine it?

By allowing the Holy Ghost to lead and direct us into ALL truth.
Whenever we have sat under ANY minister- we were 100% obedient to HIS preferences, as we have always been involved in pulpit ministry. However, it became obvious through the years that it is IMPOSSIBLE to please man.

Now? I'm searching. I am SO over tryin to keep ministry happy. I am totally going to focus on what keeps GOD happy.

AreYouReady? · #**268** 01-30-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by followingJesus

I have no way of knowing. Is your hair cut in either pic?

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Originally Posted by Cindy

houston · #**269** 01-30-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by not4saken

My point? YOU CANNOT JUDGE A PERSON'S WALK WITH GOD BY THE OUTWARD. Come on, folks- this argument is so OLD it's molded and rottening. This child could drink a 400 lb man under the table...it breaks my heart.(Prayers for Jess please)

MissBrattified · #**270** 01-30-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by not4saken

By allowing the Holy Ghost to lead and direct us into ALL truth.
Whenever we have sat under ANY minister- we were 100% obedient to HIS preferences, as we have always been involved in pulpit ministry. However, it became obvious through the years that it is IMPOSSIBLE to please man.

Now? I'm searching. I am SO over tryin to keep ministry happy. I am totally going to focus on what keeps GOD happy.

Agreed (on your approach to church leadership)--and keeping God happy.