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Old 01-01-2013, 07:39 PM
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Re: All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad you quoted Acts 2:40. Luke says those who believed AND were baptized were 3,000. Luke didn't count how many people spoke in tongues. That's pretty damaging to thee 3 step doctrine.

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ANYTHING BUUUUUT...Men and brethren, what shall we do... to be saved.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Of course they were asking about salvation, that's why Peter told them...

Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

And the Bible records that 3,000 obeyed what they heard...

Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

SAVED!

What must we do?

Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
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Glad you quoted Acts 2:40. Luke says those who believed AND were baptized were 3,000. Luke didn't count how many people spoke in tongues. That's pretty damaging to thee 3 step doctrine.
Nice dodge.

You must have mastered dodge ball as a kid.

But for what you referenced...

Not at all.

Not even a tiny little bit............
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Glad you quoted Acts 2:40. Luke says those who believed AND were baptized were 3,000. Luke didn't count how many people spoke in tongues. That's pretty damaging to thee 3 step doctrine.
How is it damaging? Did not Peter say in verse 38 and 39 to those listening, concerning Holy Ghost baptism, "And YE shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (the same gift of the Holy Ghost they had just witnessed the 120 receive) , for the promise is unto YOU.."

So Peter was lying? The promise was not for them? They didn't receive the gift of the Holy Ghost? Even if tongues were not the initial evidence for all of those 3000, nevertheless, they still had to be regenerated by the Spirit in order to be born again and to pass from death unto life. If they didn't receive it, they remained dead in trespasses and sins, lifeless.

Now why did you have to make me go and agree with Old Paths? ha ha
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2013 and you still promote the error that your efforts during immersing a person is essential to applying the blood of the Lamb of God to that person. 2013 and you think you're the high priest holding the blood of the Lamb in your hand and applying it. 2013 and you still promote the message that you're lord over one of tens of thousands churches of Jesus Christ.

2013 and you're still attempting to have folks look to you for salvation and direction rather than God. There's another fella who has the same mindset as you, you know.

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
BINGO!! These guys actually demean the blood, the name of Jesus, and baptism.
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How is it damaging? Did not Peter say in verse 38 and 39 to those listening, concerning Holy Ghost baptism, "And YE shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (the same gift of the Holy Ghost they had just witnessed the 120 receive) , for the promise is unto YOU.."

So Peter was lying? The promise was not for them? They didn't receive the gift of the Holy Ghost? Even if tongues were not the initial evidence for all of those 3000, nevertheless, they still had to be regenerated by the Spirit in order to be born again and to pass from death unto life. If they didn't receive it, they remained dead in trespasses and sins, lifeless.

Now why did you have to make me go and agree with Old Paths? ha ha


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The Moon must be full tonite?
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I posted this on that other thread, so....


The doctrine of the Trinity — that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are each equally and eternally the one true God — is admittedly difficult to comprehend, and yet is the very foundation of Christian truth. Although skeptics may ridicule it as a mathematical impossibility, it is nevertheless a basic doctrine of Scripture as well as profoundly realistic in both universal experience and in the scientific understanding of the cosmos.

Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things, is repeatedly emphasized in such Scriptures as Isaiah 45:18:


“For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.”

A New Testament example is James 2:19:


“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble.”

The three persons of the Godhead are, at the same time, noted in such Scriptures as Isaiah 48:16:


“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”

The speaker in this verse is obviously God, and yet He says He has been sent both by The Lord God (that is, the Father) and by His Spirit (that is, the Holy Spirit).

The New Testament doctrine of the Trinity is evident in such a verse as John 15:26, where the Lord Jesus said:


“But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, He shall testify of me.”

Then there is the baptismal formula:


“baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19).

One name (God) — yet three names!

JESUS — That Jesus, as the only-begotten Son of God, actually claimed to be God, equal with the Father, is clear from numerous Scriptures. For example, He said:


“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8).

HOLY SPIRIT — Some cults falsely teach that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal divine influence of some kind, but the Bible teaches that He is a real person, just as are the Father and the Son. Jesus said:


“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come” (John 16:13).

TRI-UNITY — The teaching of the Bible concerning the Trinity might be summarized thus. God is a Tri-unity, with each Person of the Godhead equally and fully and eternally God. Each is necessary, and each is distinct, and yet all are one. The three Persons appear in a logical, causal order. The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the Son, experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.



We “see” God and His great salvation in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, then “experience” their reality by faith, through the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit.

Though these relationships seem paradoxical, and to some completely impossible, they are profoundly realistic, and their truth is ingrained deep in man's nature. Thus, men have always sensed first the truth that God must be “out there,” everywhere present and the First Cause of all things, but they have corrupted this intuitive knowledge of the Father into pantheism and ultimately into naturalism.

Similarly, men have always felt the need to “see” God in terms of their own experience and understanding, but this knowledge that God must reveal Himself has been distorted into polytheism and idolatry. Men have thus continually erected “models” of God, sometimes in the form of graven images, sometimes even in the form of philosophical systems purporting to represent ultimate reality.

Finally, men have always known that they should be able to have communion with their Creator and to experience His presence “within.” But this deep intuition of the Holy Spirit has been corrupted into various forms of false mysticism and fanaticism, and even into spiritism and demonism. Thus, the truth of God's tri-unity is ingrained in man's very nature, but he has often distorted it and substituted a false god in its place.



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1. Does the spirit of God indwell a person at the point of belief/repentance?

2. For those that believe one can receive the gift of the Holy Ghost without speaking in other tongues as the spirit gives the utterance, what is the visible/tangible sign/proof that one has received the spirit?
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1. Does the spirit of God indwell a person at the point of belief/repentance?

2. For those that believe one can receive the gift of the Holy Ghost without speaking in other tongues as the spirit gives the utterance, what is the visible/tangible sign/proof that one has received the spirit?

Number one: No, not normally.

Number two: Tongues is normative as the initial evidence, though was very rare until the early Pentecostal revivals. That raises the question of the experience of great revivalists such as Wesley, Finney, Witfield. Spurgeon, and many more. Their lives certainly demonstrated the fruit of the Spirit. But I still see tongues as the normative initial evidence and teach it as such. But I certainly won't be surprised to see a few non-tongue talkers in Glory.
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Number one: No, not normally.

Number two: Tongues is normative as the initial evidence, though was very rare until the early Pentecostal revivals. That raises the question of the experience of great revivalists such as Wesley, Finney, Witfield. Spurgeon, and many more. Their lives certainly demonstrated the fruit of the Spirit. But I still see tongues as the normative initial evidence and teach it as such. But I certainly won't be surprised to see a few non-tongue talkers in Glory.
Thanks for your answers.......let's see what some of the rest think/believe.
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