Tongues: Spiritual or Learned Behavior?

[KWSS1976]

Per your Quote Renee "That word “edifieth” means to build up. And we are talking about spiritual things here, it builds a person up in the Spirit". We all need that. Jude says the same.

Scripture clearly states that your Spirit is not built up cause in verse 2 it states howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries

Now how is your Spirit going to be built up if speaking mysteries to it.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Per your Quote Renee "That word “edifieth” means to build up. And we are talking about spiritual things here, it builds a person up in the Spirit". We all need that. Jude says the same.

Scripture clearly states that your Spirit is not built up cause in verse 2 it states howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries

Now how is your Spirit going to be built up if speaking mysteries to it.

Re-read what you wrote and proof-read. "in the spirit he speaketh mysteries" and "speaking mysteries to it [your spirit]" are two different phrases with totally different meanings.

The Bible says the man speaks mysteries "in the spirit" not "to his spirit". You're not speaking to yourself when you speak in tongues:

"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor 14:2

Therefore your question is moot.

How do tongues edify or build us up? It is prayer and communication to God, why wouldn't it edify or build us up?

[AreYouReady?]

Let's also take the scientific studies about vitamins.

There was one study in particular about Vitamin E. A long time ago they did studies about how vitamin E is an important anti oxidant and beneficial to the heart...the entire body for good health.

Then some years later the 'scientific' community came out that taking prolonged dose of vitamin E could be lethal.

Why such a discrepancy? Because there are supplemental industries out there who make synthetic isomer vitamins and pass them off as natural. The human body cannot use a synthetic vitamin and the ingredients (some of which contain petroleum) either deposits somewhere into the body or passes on through. So buying synthetic vitamins is like pouring new wine into old skins. It just goes on through without any benefit. Scientific studies do not alway reveal how they study a case. In this case, they studied what a synthetic vitamin E will do to a body, but did not specify to the public the difference between natural and synthetic vitamin E and why they used the synthetic version in this particular study.

Why they did not reveal this important factor is known only to the one doing the study. The public does not have the knowledge of the differences in this vitamin.

Here is what an expert has to say about this 'scientific study'.

Finally, not one of the studies used natural kind of vitamin e antioxidant. Vitamin E Antioxidant is a mix of tocopherols: alpha, beta, gamma and delta. Only alpha- tocopheral was applied. Not only that, nevertheless the synthetic isomeric form, D, L-alpha tocopherol was applied in the majority of the studies. Natural vitamin e antioxidant will come in only the D isomeric form. The synthetic L form is not produced in character and can hinder the benefits of natural D form.

http://yournutritiontips.com/vitamin-lethal/


My point to all this is:

It is always wise to study out and listen to several points of view both pro and con for any particular study and decide for yourself who presents a more accurate information.

Those who do not believe in a Supreme Creator can and do skew studies to prove their point.

[scotty]

To study the activity of the brain one has to be hooked to some sort of machine to measure this activity during a time when one is speaking in tongues.

I have a seriously problem believing that God is going to move on someone while being a part of some experiment to detect his presence.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by scotty

To study the activity of the brain one has to be hooked to some sort of machine to measure this activity during a time when one is speaking in tongues.

I have a seriously problem believing that God is going to move on someone while being a part of some experiment to detect his presence.

Great observation! If we have to resort to the scientific to believe what we believe about our experience with God.... we are of all men most miserable.

1 Cor. 1:22-23 "For the Jews require a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness."

Signs, and wisdom does not get you anywhere in your search. Ask the Pharisees. Ask the Greeks.

What does it require? Faith. "Because the foolishness of God is wiser than man." and... "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise."

Michelow:

As long as you are trying to understand God using only man's wisdom, you will never find Him, or truly know Him.

So in your search for the truth of tongues, ultimately, it comes down to you, and your relationship with God. Are you trying to determine God exists by standing on a "sign" like the Jews (or tongues to be more specific), or are you trying to determine if God exists using man's wisdom? Neither works.

Without faith... it is impossible to please God.

Does the fish swimming in the sea question whether the sea exists in which he is swimming? Does he stop swimming, and decide to stop breathing, simply because he doesn't believe that the sea he is swimming in exists? No, he keeps on swimming, day by day, even though he doesn't understand the complexities that make up the sea he lives in.

Just as that little fish swimming in the sea... we are humans living in a world created by God. Do we stop what we are doing, and say I am going to stop breathing today, because I don't understand how this world got here? No, of course not.

You see.... it takes faith just to live.

We exercise faith every day. Every one of us do. We have faith in the pilot of the airplane when we board. We have faith that the chef in the restaurant would know how to cook the food we are eating. We have faith that the car we get in to drive will fire up and drive away as we push the gas pedal. We have faith that the bridge we drove over had an engineer who knew how to design it so it wouldn't collapse. We have faith that the banker will take our money today, and give it back to us tomorrow. .....

My point being this... Faith is necessary to even exist in this world... so why is it so hard to have faith in the GOD that created all of us, who we still cannot even comprehend, or describe?

Have you read the book of Job recently? It's a great place to start to rebuild your faith in the creator of this universe ....

Will be praying that you find the answers you are searching for in the post of this thread.

And by the way, your little girl, is absolutely beautiful!

[renee819]

Scotty wrote,

To study the activity of the brain one has to be hooked to some sort of machine to measure this activity during a time when one is speaking in tongues.

I have a seriously problem believing that God is going to move on someone while being a part of some experiment to detect his presence

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Scotty, if we were talking about receiving the Holy Ghost speaking in other tongues, your Post would be right on. People can not do that at any time.

However, when a person has the Gift of unknown tongues, they can speak those unknown tongues any time that they want to.

I know by experience. I got the Holy Ghost when I was a teen. Ever once in a while in serious prayer, maybe 2 or 3 times a yr. I would get a refilling.

About 5 yrs later, one night at church, we were all praising God around the alter. I rasised my hands and was praising God, when all of a sudden I started speaking in tongues. Well I kept on and on, as long as everyone was praying. After we got home, I put my family to bed and went into the living room and knelt down and started speaking in tongues again, Seems that I never could get finished, I spoke until 1or 2 am.

For several days, anytine I would think about it and start praying, I would speak in tongues. Day and night, I didn’t know what it was.
Finally I went to my Pastor and asked, Bro ----- What would make a person start speaking in tongues just any time, and never feel like they were finished?

He looked at me kinda odd and said, “Sister, I don’t know why anyone would do that.”
Later, after I studied my Bible and found out that what I had was the gift of tongues, I was surprised that my Pastor didn’t know the difference.
I am still surprised that many Pentecostal’s don’t know the difference in Speaking in Other tongues and the Gift of tongues.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hey Mich, what are you trying to say?

You slow or whot? She doesn't believe that the bible is inspired by God. But, tongues proved the existence of God to her.

[KWSS1976]

Man I have to say you old time Upc'ers are something else,you guys are really stuck in your ways like talkng to a brick wall. I am still tring to figure out how you get 2sets of tongues out of the bible....It was a gift in Acts and it was the same gift in Corithians,but highly abused just like in the Churches today to bad Paul is not around to regulate like he did in Corithians.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

You slow or whot? She doesn't believe that the bible is inspired by God. But, tongues proved the existence of God to her.

Does she still smoke cigarettes?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Man I have to say you old time Upc'ers are something else,you guys are really stuck in your ways like talkng to a brick wall. I am still tring to figure out how you get 2sets of tongues out of the bible....It was a gift in Acts and it was the same gift in Corithians,but highly abused just like in the Churches today to bad Paul is not around to regulate like he did in Corithians.

Two types of tongues?