Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

[Charnock]

What about the innocent victims of Edwin and Jordan Young?

Should these people just get over it and move on?

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/experi...win_young.html

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

What about the innocent victims of Edwin and Jordan Young?

Should these people just get over it and move on?

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/experi...win_young.html

YES! By all means any one that was hurt has in their own best interest to try to get over it and move on. Absolutely!

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

YES! By all means any one that was hurt has in their own best interest to try to get over it and move on. Absolutely!

Of course, but the implication of Houston's post (and your continued juvenile barbs) is that the hurt isn't real. "Getting over it" can take a moment, or a lifetime, but I don't think we should be so cruel to tell someone who has been permanently scarred how they should respond to the experience.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Of course, but the implication of Houston's post (and your continued juvenile barbs) is that the hurt isn't real. "Getting over it" can take a moment, or a lifetime, but I don't think we should be so cruel to tell someone who has been permanently scarred how they should respond to the experience.

Please quote me using Juvanile barbs to indicate the hurt is not real.

The only one casting barbs is you.,

[Charnock]

Do we no longer believe that abusers, thieves and murderers should pay for their sins? Have we gone so far over the "love and mercy" cliff that we have abandoned the concepts of justice and restitution?

Restitution is a Bible doctrine. It is not wrong or unmerciful to desire an apology and/or vindication.

God Himself does not pardon the unrepentant.

Christians shouldn't either.

[Charnock]

Instead, some sweep abuse under the rug, pretending the hurt is not real. The abusers are allowed to move on. They find new victims. All because we want to minimize the damage to the image of our church and/or denomination.

The victims eventually feel just as abused by the church as they do the original offender.

[Walks_in_islam]

ditto LOL

It IS true, though not written and based on experience only, that a funny answer at times turns away anger as effectively as a soft one

Originally Posted by Timmy

You're funny.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Charnock

Nice defense. "Everybody else is doing it, and we're no different."

Except that's not how APOs represent.

Standards are supposed to keep us from this stuff. The "Holy Ghost" is supposed to make a difference. We've built fences. We're separate. Called out. Distinct.

Heck, we're just BETTER than all those other so-called Christians.

At least until we can't keep our pants zipped and legs closed.

Then we're human "just like everyone else."

You're doctrine and lifestyle is a sham. Legalism highlights our humanity and sinfulness but it does nothing to make us better, and it certainly has never saved one lost soul.

Originally Posted by Charnock

Bitter? No. Somewhat vindicated? Yes.

Typically, legalists leave a trail of tears which stretches well into previous decades. They determine who may be used, who is saved, and who is lost based upon visible measurements which are arbitrarily applied depending upon relationships.

Always they hurt. Always they divide. Always they abuse. Pillage.

This is all accomplished via uncontrolled tongues which are used to defame and malign good men and women who express minute theological differences.

And, in many cases, they live in gross sin the entire time they engage in personal destruction.

Yet, what I was pointing out was that all people err, people are people, no matter what religion or schism, political position, or cultural tradition.

People will not meet your expectations at times, or rise to meet the challenge when they are sinking low.

APOs? Do you mean Apostolic Pentecostal One God?

Interesting, on a forum which bares the name Apostolic "friends" we have Apostolic Haters?

What? Did Irving Baxter Jr short you an issue of Endtime?

Or, is it that you are just upset that Harvest Time is longer being aired?

Whatever!

Any how, the fallen are in all religions, no one holds higher stats than the other church or temple down the block.

You also mentioned an exclusivity on the APOs?

Last time I checked, most religions are exclusive, while their are some which believe all roads lead home, there are quite a few who believe their team is the best.

All the way down on the local level, there are churches vying for pole position to gain more members to fill more coffers, and to build bigger barns.

Yet, to get back to topic, people fail.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

That was his point.

You caught that too?

Thanks you my friend.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Charnock

StillStanding, no, they don't.

In a previous post I mentioned the standards "shell game."

Legalism's heart is insidious. It dresses everything up really pretty on the outside, while its inside is filled with a deadly cancer.

That's how an Apostolic lady can have long, uncut hair, always wear dresses, never wear make-up or jewelry and still be full of bitterness, hate and gossip. We measure her appearance and think she's "holy," but God sees things differently.

It's how a preacher can rage at compromisers and emergents as he preaches at conferences but at the same time be carrying on with prostitutes at the same conference. He dresses the part and says all of the right Apostolic catch phrases, but he has missed the essence of Christianity.

He compartmentalizes. He feels justified because he's living up to Apostolic measurements. But he has failed to live up to God's standard.

I don't know about anyone else, but boy I can feel the love.